Re: John Roberts won't save Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia

On 5/25/2025 4:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

 On May 25, 2025 at 12:05:37 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com>
 wrote:
 

 BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

 May 25, 2025 at 8:17:44 AM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:

 The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

 Tue, 8 Apr 2025 04:17:01 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

 

 You do realize the guys they're going after have already had their
 hearings and just ignored their deportation orders, right? Do we
 need to give them another hearing about the hearing? And then maybe
 a third hearing to examine the first and second hearings?

 

 If the guy already has had the hearing they're entitled to, what's
 left other than execution of the deportation order?

 

 Perhaps he might be hauled into court to verify that the deportation
 order is valid but at that point he gets cuffs and a one way trip to
 either the airport or to the border right?

 

 You simply don't have the right to unlimited stays of warrants. I'm
 all for due process but you don't have the right to come up with a new
 excuse ad infinitum.

 

 You've both completely lost the thread. It's deportation into the
 custody of the government of a country that they are not nationals of,
 that immediately put them into prison per agreement with the Trump
 administration.

 

 Abrego Garcia is an El Salvador national. El Salvador is his home country.
 Where else should he be deported to?

 
 Why are you acting like this? The last order from an administrative law
 judge was that he was NOT to be deported

 
 Because he would allegedly face persecution from a rival gang. Let that sink
 in. If you're not a gang member, you have no rival gang, by definition. But
 apparently we're supposed to keep violent gang members in America to shelter
 them from the consequences of the gang activity in which they chose to
engage
 before they illegally broke into our country and then joined up with other
 members of their gang here in the U.S.
 

 Then Trump defied courts by refusing to ask El Salvador to send him back.

 
 Doesn't really matter. El Salvador said they won't send him back even if
 asked.
 

 Not everyone sent to El Salvador were nationals. Then it turned out
 others weren't supposed to have been deported.
 
 But even if a Salvadoran national had a final order of deportation, it's
 still a due process violation to send him to El Salvador having made
 an arrangement for him to be held in prison.
 
 Elsewhere you said you still favored due process. Well, sending
 deportees, whatever their nationality, to another country to be held in
 prison who were not found guilty of a felony in that country isn't due
 process of any kind. It's kidnapping, international human trafficking,
 unlawful restraint, etc. Those crines were committed by the Trump
 administration which made the deal with El Salvador to hold these
 deportees in prison.
 
 What the hell?

 
 Just not really concerned that all that much about a bunch of MS-13 and Tren
 de Aragua gang members who should never have been here in the first place.
 Sorry.

 
If due process goes only to those who "deserve" it, we should rename it.