Re: Nate Friedman versus fake protestors

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

On 2025-05-28 3:46 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

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One question about the religious Jews. Didn't the Knesset vote to end
the exemption of religious Jews from the IDF around a year ago?

I should have been clearer. The religious parties are for Jews who live
separately from society, like Hassids. There isn't a political party for
Jews who more or less strictly practice religion.

Isn't the party that Smotrich and Ben Gvir belong to for the strictly
religious?

Bezalel Smotrich is a settler in the West Bank. Those families are
militant, if not insane, literally the people who would be civilian
casualties if there were an all-out war. His party is brand new from the
most recent national election, a merger of several tiny parties, none of
which were parties generally associated by Haredi Jews. However, they
would ally themselves with the religious parties as they favored
increased state funding of rabbinical education. I think pre-merger
they held seats in a few small municipalities but no seats in the
Knesset.

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I hadn't heard of any major unrest from the rabbinical students so I
wondered if they had had a change of heart or the people who expected
trouble were just flat out wrong.

These aren't your typical teenage boys who might rebel against parental
authority. Maybe they'd have a different religious interpretation.

I seem to remember seeing that in the news. It was supposed to come
into effect within a few days and they were anticipating significant
resistance from the religious Jews. But then I never heard about any
resistance so I'm wondering if the government backed away from that? Or
did the religious Jews (Haredi? Or am I misusing that term?) have a change
of heart and turn up at the IDF ready to begin training without protest?

Haredim is an Orthodox branch that rejects modernity in living according
to religious law. Orthodox Judaism has an enormous variety of beliefs,
whereas Reform and Conservative (an American movement) have relatively
uniform beliefs. Plenty of Orthodox Jews attempt to accomodate the
modern world while living within religious law. They don't try to live
separately from the modern world.

Sorry, I got my terminology muddled. I was trying to think of the term
for the yeshiva students who had previously been exempt from military
service (a policy I know MOST Israelis disagree with) and landed on
Haredi by mistake. The Haredi are the people who mostly live in a
cluster in NYC with a wire encircling their area.(And, of course, they
live in other cities and countries as well.)

It's not the wrong term. Now that I think about it, it's not exactly a
branch of Orthodox, more of a modern description of religious people who
live apart from the modern world if not rejecting it. It can include
Hassidic and Lubovitchers in the view of some, but I don't use the term
as all encompassing like that.

The wire is a Sabbath thing for Jews observing no work permitted on
Sabbath, nothing to do with Haredim. It's an accomodation for living in
the modern world, treating the area within the wire as if it's within
the home so work may be performed without violating the commandment to
keep the Sabbath holy. We're not talking about work like building
something but ordinary tasks of domesticity and living that otherwise
conflict with observing the Sabbath.