Re: Self defense injustice in the UK

BTR1701  <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

On Jun 5, 2025 at 1:22:00 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
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On 6/5/2025 2:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

 On Jun 5, 2025 at 11:32:30 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
 

 On 6/5/2025 1:16 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

   On Jun 5, 2025 at 8:26:42 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
  

   On 6/5/2025 12:57 AM, BTR1701 wrote:

     On Jun 4, 2025 at 5:06:29 PM PDT, "The Horny Goat" <lcraver@home.ca>
 wrote:
    

     On Sat, 31 May 2025 22:48:37 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
     wrote:
 

     I'm guessing that, if he'd tried instead to choke her to death, then her
     knifing him would've been allowed as self-defense ...suggesting that
     rape isn't a serious enough offense to warrant lethal reprisal.
 

     I'm undecided where exactly the dividing line should be in
     self-defence cases but it definitely ought to be shy of "lie back and
     think of the Empire"!

    
     I you've broken into my home, then you're leaving in a body bag if
I have
     anything to say about it. My dividing line is the threshold of the
 doors and
     windows.

 
   Well, that does kinda elevate simple burglary into a capital crime.

  
 If you don't want to be shot to death while breaking into someone's home to
 steal from them, there's a 100% effective way of guaranteeing that never
 happens to you: don't break into people's homes and steal from them.

 
 That has a smidgen of resonance with "let them eat cake".

 
 No one has a right to my property and they certainly don't have a right to
put
 me and my family in danger when trying to take it.
 
 Fuck around and find out.

 
Chest-thumping aside... your proposed law, as I extrapolate it, awards a
homeowner cancellation rights over the life of any intruder.

>
Pretty much, yeah. If you're breaking into my home, I presume you to be a
danger to me and mine. To do otherwise is suicidal. And regardless, even if
they're only there to steal and I can somehow know this as they're kicking in
my front door, I'm neither legally nor morally required to abandon my home to
thieves or stand aside and let them have their way with my property.
>
And more to the point, if *you* value my TV more than your own life, why
should I do any different?
>

  A parallel
that comes to mind is the Old West's summary lynching of horse thieves
...but the rationale there (I'm told) was that a horse back then was
essential to survival, making the theft of one a "capital" crime.

>
We have plenty of men that need killin' but we don't have any horses that need
theivin'.

You've convinced moviePig. Shelter is essential to survival, making
breaking in to one's home a...