Re: USGP 2024 -Teflon underpants ?

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2024-10-22 09:13, News wrote:

On 10/22/2024 12:01 PM, Edmund wrote:

On 22-10-2024 16:37, News wrote:

On 10/21/2024 3:19 AM, Edmund wrote:

On 20-10-2024 23:26, Geoff wrote:

VER forces NOR off track at first corner and all is OK "after all
it is the first corner of the race"....
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Near the end, VER forces NOR off the track, going off-track
himself, and it is NOR gets a penalty.
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How does that work ?

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It works as it always work, some drivers are more equal then others.
Other then that, the rules!! IF they are applied here, suck big time.
The start where mad max goes way too fast to make the corner AND
leave space for others..... that is ruled OK! which is absurd.
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BTW I am pretty sure max went off track during the race and kept
position BECAUSE he went of track, nobody cares.
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Boo F1'riggin Hoo
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https://adamcooperf1.com/2024/10/22/horner-norris-us-gp-penalty-was-
a- slam-dunk/

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Much to my surprise Horner is backing his team.
Do you have a opinion of your own?
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Horner speaks for me.

 
The difference is that Horner understands that it's easy to get back
ahead in the braking zone for a corner...
 
...by simply easing off the brake pedal.
 
You won't be able to stay on the track, mind, but your car's nose will
be back in front.

There have been a number of articles about this (understandably) which
all seem to add up to "What Verstappen did is almost certainly legal -
even if it's in a grey area - but should it be?".

I can't find the really good, deep discussion on this, but Brundle's
hints at this:

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/13238684/martin-brundle-on-united-states-gp-lando-norris-battle-with-max-verstappen-and-subsequent-penalty-analysed#:~:text=And%20so%20started%20a%20string,and%20a%20pass%20seemed%20inevitable.

From memory, the more involved discussion was related to the fact that
Verstappen was treated as the defending driver for the purposes of the
rules, but that it's not clear that he wasn't (in principle) passed on
the straight, and that he shouldn't have been treated as the attacking
driver for the purposes of the corner passing regulations.

If that were to be the case, the obligations on him are different. The
dive-bombing tactic wouldn't be a legitimate defence of the racing line,
and the forcing of Norris off-track while *not* actually staying
on-track himself wouldn't be treated the same. If he'd had to make the
corner and leave space, he'd have to have braked sooner, and he'd have
had to cede the lead was lost.

...BUT all of this has to be considered, processed and a decision taken
in next to no time. I think that what the stewards decided under the
circumstances and given the understanding of the rules was correct. In
the cold light of day, however, does there need to be a clarification -
to the drivers, the stewards or even a specific change in rules - to
remove some of the grey area?

It just doesn't "feel right" that a driver can engineer a situation
where their failure to slow in time for the corner gets to benefit from
forcing another driver off-track without making the turn legitimately
themselves. If Verstappen had forced Norris wide while making the corner
on-track I *still* think it needs a review - there is the question of
whether he needed to leave space - but not making the corner just looks
like abuse of the rules and something that needs addressing.