Re: Riding a bike a protection and in general

On 6/18/2025 4:51 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 18:08:45 -0700, John B.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
 

On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 18:12:57 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
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`On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 17:42:04 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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On 6/17/2025 12:44 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 11:17:12 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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Unlike some here, I think it's nonsense to say that nothing is
quantifiable, that _everything_ is subjective. That attitude is just a
lazy thinker's way of pretending one's uninformed opinion is always right.

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I don't buy that attitude - maybe in part because in my profession, I
was paid to (among many other things) correct other's mistakes. My
education taught me to pay attention to data, and I taught that to others.

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Sure you paid attention to the nonsense data that said that having a
gun in your house made it more likely to get shot.

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<https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/full/10.7326/M21-3762>
"Overall rates of homicide were more than twice as high among
cohabitants of handgun owners than among cohabitants of nonowners
(adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). These elevated
rates were driven largely by higher rates of homicide by firearm
(adjusted hazard ratio, 2.83 [CI, 2.05 to 3.91]). Among homicides
occurring at home, cohabitants of owners had sevenfold higher rates of
being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner (adjusted hazard
ratio, 7.16 [CI, 4.04 to 12.69]); 84% of these victims were female."
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<https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9715182/>
"For every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally
justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven
criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides.
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"Conclusions: Guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a
fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide
attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense."

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<CHUCKLE> Krygowski lacks the intellectual ability to see that his
cite doesn't even address his claim that guns in the home make it more
likely you'd be shot.
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The study looked at 626 shootings in several cities. There's no
mention of how and why they picked those cities. They could have been
cherry picked because the results fit their agenda.
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Dimbulb Krygowski doesn't question the data because it fits his
agenda, so he just repeats what the people (who are they, and what's
their agenda) who ran the study tell him.
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Krygowski is totally obsessed with me.

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:-)  HA! _That_ got an outright laugh!

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...and Krygowski demonstrates agaon, that he is totally obsessed with
me. I'll bet he lies awake night thinking what he can say to get back
at me for pointing out what a wussy he is.

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When he first posted that study I had a look at then numbers and yes,
IF there is a gun in the house AND a homicide is committed in the
house it will likely be committed with a gun. Which seems logical.
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But this has NO relationship to his unspoken conclusion that a gun in
the house results in homicides.

 Did the "researchers" picked those three cities because they had the
shooting data they needed to support their agenda?
 The conclusions are full of holes.
 Krygowski is easily led around by the nose because he's lacks the
intellectual capacity to analyse. He appears to be one of those "learn
by rote" individuals. I've had some waste of space teachers like that.
 "Learn by rote" means to learn something through repetition and
memorization, without necessarily understanding its meaning or
principles. It's a process of memorizing information in a mechanical
way, often focusing on verbatim recall rather than comprehension."
--
C'est bon
Soloman

All  unclear to me.
As with Andrew Cuomo's awakening in his term as HUD Secretary, the question was put to him, "Is public housing violent because he residents are armed, or do public housing residents arm themselves because the projects are violent?"
I'd posit that firearm ownership in Poland Ohio is most probably drastically lower than in North Lawndale Chicago. The subsequent statistics reflect both neighborhood dangers for the residents (or lack thereof) as well as the cultural makeup of the residents at large.
I can't imagine a study design to reveal any underlying truth (or lack thereof), given that armed citizens are generally wan to discuss the subjects.
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Andrew Muzi
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