Re: Microsodft

On Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:21:12 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 9/7/2024 2:16 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 08:44:14 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
 

On 9/6/2024 4:43 PM, cyclintom wrote:

I have a mail address on outlook that uses my name rather than cyclintom and since 2009 when I again was interested in looking for work, it has had 5200 job offers.

 

It has 5200 head hunter ads, not job offers.

 
2009 would have been 15 years ago.  That's 346 offers per year or
approximately 1 offer per day.  That's really impressive.  Assuming no
repeat offers or spammers, I suspect there aren't enough employment
recruiting agencies available to produce that many offers.
 
2009 is problematic because Tom had his head injury some time near the
end of 2009.  It allegedly took 4 years for Tom to recover.  Somehow,
I don't see Tom applying for work while dealing with epileptic
seizures, driving difficulties, insurance issues from four destroyed
Ford Taurus vehicles, and an outstanding warrants for a DUI and
failure to appear.
 
There's another problem.  Hiring senior management can be expensive to
the employer at 15% to 25% of the employees first year salary.  For a
$150,000 salary, that's about $30,000 in fees:
<https://eddy.com/hr-encyclopedia/recruitment-fees/>
Given the choice between paying an agency such a large amount and
finding their own employees, many companies will opt for the cheaper
route.  (That's what happened to me when I was looking).  For the
recruiters to be paid, the employee is required to work for the
company for at least 1 year and sometimes longer.  One look at Tom's
resume and the job hopping would certainly have been noticed.
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
What this tells me is that Tom has never even talked to a recruiter.

>
I'm quite sure he did. You're referring to a different recruiting
process. The people tommy has been talking with are recruiters who are
given leads to follow up on based predominantly keyword search
algorithms but aren't contracted by the employer or employee. I get on
average one phone call per day for different positions and several
emails per day into my personal email client (the one listed in my
linkedin profile) some of which are appropriate, some aren't. Half the
time the phone calls are from a call center in India, and many of those
cases the caller is barely intelligible from a combination of weak
english skills and call center background noise.

Thanks.  You're probably correct, but I suspect there's another reason
that Tom didn't get any calls.  Tom is currently almost 80 years old.
Although LinkedIn does not currently display someone's age, age
information is easily obtained.  I noticed that job solicitations
ceased in 2000, when I was 52 years old.  Tom may have had the same
experience.  For Tom, that would have been in 1996.  He might have
received regular calls prior to 1996, but probably not afterwards.

Unlike Tom and you, I've only received a few erratic phone calls from
recruiters.  It didn't take me long to realize that their claims of
having a well paying job waiting for me was a lie.  What they really
wanted from me was to say that I was interested, a resume and a salary
history.  They would then call their corporate contacts to see if they
could place me in their organization, for a price of course. 

With one exception, all the jobs and consulting I've done were through
someone I knew at the company.  That one exception is where I obtained
some unpleasant experiences with head hunters.  They managed to find a
likely company for me.  I went through the company interview process.
However, the company didn't want to hire me, probably because of the
recruiters fees.  So, we parted ways for about 3 months and I still
hadn't found a better job.  At that point, I called the recruiter if
he would object (or sue me) if I contact the same company and try
again.  I got a verbal ok (which was stupid) and called the company
directly.  They were desperate and hired me immediately.  So much for
recruiting.

Then, I got a surprise.  After about 3 months, I started getting calls
from other recruiters.  I asked one why so soon after I was hired? One
was amazingly honest and indicated that many such placements didn't
work out and they were unlikely to be able to collect their full fee.
So, trying again after 3 months was their idea of damage control.
Swell.

After that, I continued to receive a few such calls, usually on my
home phone but occasionally at work.  I was always polite and
indicated that I was not searching for a new employer.  I really
wanted to tell them where they could cram their non-existent jobs, but
being polite and answering with a firm "no" was easier than receiving
endless repeat calls from the same recruiter.  I've never received a
call from a call center.

Thanks for providing some detail on what has changed in recruiting
over the years.  I didn't realize how much it has changed.  The last
time I was involved with hiring was helping a friend and customer sift
through a small mountain of resumes from monster.com.

Often times they are working on a position based on something from my
resume twenty years ago. Example - I worked in the medical electronics
industry off and on during the 80's and 90's. I also have listed some of
my engineering quality control/management experience, and many of the
calls are for QC-focused positions in the medical electronics area.

I haven't had that problem.  What I got were call for a position that
was nowhere close to what I was doing or what I did in the past.  It
was as if the recruiter had my name, phone number, and nothing else.

But you're correct in that the types of recruiters you're referring to
probably wouldn't have contacted tommy - too many red flags.

Yep.  Also, Tom's LinkedIn online resume was a mess before he cleaned
it up in late 2021.  The main problem was overlapping dates where he
seemed to be working at two (or three) jobs simultaneously at various
times.  I still have a copy of his old resume before and after
cleanup.  At one point, Tom claimed that he originally had a 14 page
resume that was lost when he had his computer professionally serviced.
I can believe the loss of the resume, but not that it would be 14
pages long.  If such a resume existed, no recruiter would ever take
the time to read it.

Incidentally, what attracted the most interest on my resume was the
line "Owner of 4WD service truck".  That's not connected with
engineering or design, yet that's what generated the most interesting
discussions.  The service truck did prove useful for some field work.
However, the real attraction was 9.5 years at the same company doing
non-military RF design and preceded by a few years servicing 2way
radios.  The recruiters clients were looking for such experience.

He can also shoot a quarter out of someones hand at 100 yards and
incapacitate anyone in this forum with one arm tied behind his back!

I can also do that, with a shotgun.  You didn't say anything about
collateral damage.

That's different and is typical. The last time I was looking for a job I
connected with several recruiting agencies.
- They do a phone interview once they get a chance to review your resume
- If the phone interview goes well, they check your references
- If everything lines up, they start searching for matching positions
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That was the process when I got the job I have now, and the job I had
before that.

Except for one job, all my jobs and consulting were the result of
knowing someone who was working at the company.  It wasn't always a
referral, but it was better than nothing or dealing with the personnel
department.

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