Re: China clamps down on those damned bicyclists

On 22 Nov 2024 10:16:13 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 21 Nov 2024 23:14:30 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
 

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 21 Nov 2024 14:49:32 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
 

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 11/21/2024 4:53 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 20:22:21 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
 

On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:47:52 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
 

On 11/20/2024 11:22 AM, Shadow wrote:

On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 09:27:31 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
 

https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html

 
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
 
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
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Rental fleets like this:
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
 
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
 
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
 
(photos!)

 
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
 

 
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.

 
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".

 
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
 
--
C'est bon
Soloman
 

 
Judging by the (American) comments on here I?d say they largely don?t and
confuse it with communism etc.
 
Roger Merriman
 

 
Marx, who ought to know, used the two terms interchangeably
except in an instance where he wrote that socialism is a
necessary intermediate step to communism.
 

 
I?m sure he did! And deliberately so but doesn?t make it true!
 
Roger Merriman

 
Socialism is simply "Communism light." Social Democracy and Democratic
Socialism are contradictions in terms. Many, perhaps most children
resent and resists adult intrusion into their lives. Why any adult
would submit to that is a mystery.
 
--
C'est bon
Soloman
 

 
No socialism really isn?t just Communism lite, Communism is quite a
different beast, where as Socialism certainly as practiced by governments
is generally just a means of tempering rampant capitalism ie trying to keep
to the sweet spot.
 
Roger Merriman

 
The "official" classic definition of Sociaism is public (that means
the government) ownership of the means of production. That means the
government runs all the businesses, decides what gets produced and
detirmines and pays everyone's wages.
 

No thats communism socialism does often mean state owned services so
utilities and health services but allows plenty of space for private
businesses.
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Now I know the current version of "socialism" is that the government
merely makes the laws and rules for all the above, without actually
owning the businesses.

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Lots the countries own utilities or part of them,

Government owned utilities are one thing, government owned auto
companies are something else.

USA for example has
public funded passenger rail.

which is a total failure... One of many government owned/run
businesses that ought to be flushed. Bureaucrats don't make good
business decisions.
 

There was a considerable revolt against that in the USA a few weeks
ago.
 

Don’t believe it was a landslide election nor voted on in that regard, very
few of even your “hard left” politicians would be socialist, as USA is so
to the right.

It was a massive rejection of leftist policies.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
 

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Roger Merriman
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C'est bon
Soloman