Re: Extensive article on Rivendell and Grant Petersen

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Sujet : Re: Extensive article on Rivendell and Grant Petersen
De : shouman (at) *nospam* comcast.net (Radey Shouman)
Groupes : rec.bicycles.tech
Date : 27. Sep 2024, 22:54:49
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Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:

On 9/27/2024 2:01 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:
 
On 9/26/2024 4:19 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
You have also told us that when it looked like rain you just
didn't
ride
to work.  Nothing wrong with that -- Do what makes you happy, but please
realize that you have eliminated the data points that might have shown
improved braking to be useful.
>
As most people do. Which is my point.
Ah, so your pronouncements on braking don't apply to people that
actually *have* to ride to work?  I suppose there isn't much to argue
about then.
>
:-) Can you describe the typical person in your area who *has* to ride
to work?

Sure, someone who can't afford a car, or has lost or can't get a
driver's license, and does not have time for public transit.  Such
people do exist, although they may not belong to your bike club.

I'll admit that most such people just suck it up and ride the bus, but
it seems to take much longer than a bike would.  American bus service
tends to be atrocious, especially for multi-leg trips.

I'd say that in my area, it's a low income person riding a BSO that he
bought used. The bike is absolutely nothing fancy or very desireable.
Yes, in the past couple years it might have disc brakes, but until
then it did not, yet those people rode.

Yes, I agree.  I also think that brakes on BSOs has improved markedly
over the past few decades.  I really don't know if disc brakes will
improve or degrade that.

I'm well known for my utility riding, but I'm not the most dedicated
in the area. That title goes to a married couple living maybe two
miles from the university, where he was a professor until his
retirement. They always did almost all their utility transportation by
bike, and he biked to and from work about 99% of the
time. Conventional rim brakes, of course.

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