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Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 18:25:57 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>>
wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:On 7/15/2024 11:57 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:Not special traffic lights it?s essentially the junction so just it?s ownRolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
Basically, in town there is no way to build a safe bidirectional cycleway.
I think there are rare exceptions, and I think "safe" is not a binary
condition. But I certainly think most introduce serious hazards not
present in normal roads.
Absolutely there is, plenty in london that work well, but they don?t cross
drive in sort of places but certainly in London the two tend to be in very
different locations!...
Town Bidirectional cycleway.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/8DeJ2xi7ZP2cbXsG9?g_st=ic
Some junctions are light controlled others don?t warrant it, it seems to
work well, I only use it occasionally and often like I will on Sunday for a
Cheese market being Chiswick.
Adding special traffic lights just for bikes, as in your photo, can
help, but at a penalty of extra delays for both bikes and cars. I rode
bike lanes with extra bike traffic lights in Stockholm, for example, and
sometimes waited at our "special" red light while parallel cars had a
green. I saw other cyclists who seemed more familiar with the area
ignoring the red.
phase or rather with the pedestrians, being a high street, this is
frequent, ie your not going to be doing 20+ mph like the Embankment its not
that set up.
And if there are very many driveways, the hazard we're discussing existsit?s pragmatic so busy junctions are light controlled, others aren?t and
at each one. Turning your photo around shows this:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/AxRNjBuU3RadBnUM8 followed by several other
junctions with streets or lots that would have been potential problems.
equally side entrances aren?t but none of these are busy,
cycle traffic volumes has massively increased, the few side entrances don?t
seem to be a problem either anecdotally or in Transport for London?s data
that there is, it?s fairly new.
Roger Merriman
I see those "terrible, dangerous" bidirectional sidepaths being built
all around here. The fact that a few timid bicyclists are afraid to
ride on them hasn't deterred the rest of us.
Ones I see and use are by some margin better designed than the stuff Frank
has managed to find, ie entry on off and generally managed junctions and so
on.
>
Every chance yours are closer to mine than his, as well hes been selective
as ever.
>
Roger Merriman
Date | Sujet | # | Auteur | |
10 Jul 24 | New Bike Path | 98 | Catrike Ryder | |
11 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 97 | Catrike Ryder | |
11 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 94 | Catrike Ryder | |
11 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 93 | Rolf Mantel | |
11 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | Catrike Ryder | |
11 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 6 | Frank Krygowski | |
11 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 2 | Frank Krygowski | |
11 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | Catrike Ryder | |
11 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 3 | Catrike Ryder | |
11 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 2 | Frank Krygowski | |
11 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | Catrike Ryder | |
11 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 5 | Frank Krygowski | |
13 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | Catrike Ryder | |
13 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 3 | Frank Krygowski | |
13 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | Catrike Ryder | |
26 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | Frank Krygowski | |
12 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 80 | Rolf Mantel | |
12 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 10 | Catrike Ryder | |
12 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 9 | Wolfgang Strobl | |
12 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 8 | Catrike Ryder | |
12 Jul 24 | Roundabouts (was: Re: New Bike Path) | 7 | Wolfgang Strobl | |
12 Jul 24 | Re: Roundabouts | 4 | Frank Krygowski | |
13 Jul 24 | Re: Roundabouts | 3 | Wolfgang Strobl | |
13 Jul 24 | Re: Roundabouts | 1 | AMuzi | |
13 Jul 24 | Re: Roundabouts | 1 | Frank Krygowski | |
13 Jul 24 | Re: Roundabouts (was: Re: New Bike Path) | 2 | Ted Heise | |
13 Jul 24 | Re: Roundabouts | 1 | zen cycle | |
13 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 48 | zen cycle | |
13 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 47 | Frank Krygowski | |
13 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 46 | Catrike Ryder | |
14 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 31 | John B. | |
14 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 4 | Frank Krygowski | |
14 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 3 | Catrike Ryder | |
15 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 2 | John B. | |
15 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | Catrike Ryder | |
14 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 24 | Catrike Ryder | |
14 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 2 | John B. | |
14 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | Catrike Ryder | |
14 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 19 | Jeff Liebermann | |
14 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 15 | Ted Heise | |
14 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 14 | Jeff Liebermann | |
14 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 11 | Catrike Ryder | |
14 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 10 | Jeff Liebermann | |
14 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 2 | Catrike Ryder | |
14 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | Jeff Liebermann | |
14 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 7 | Ted Heise | |
14 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 4 | AMuzi | |
15 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 3 | Ted Heise | |
15 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | AMuzi | |
15 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | Zen Cycle | |
15 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 2 | Jeff Liebermann | |
15 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | Ted Heise | |
14 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 2 | AMuzi | |
14 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | Ted Heise | |
14 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 3 | Catrike Ryder | |
14 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 2 | Jeff Liebermann | |
14 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | Catrike Ryder | |
15 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 2 | Frank Krygowski | |
15 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | Catrike Ryder | |
15 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 2 | Rolf Mantel | |
15 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | Catrike Ryder | |
15 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 14 | Rolf Mantel | |
15 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | Catrike Ryder | |
15 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 12 | Frank Krygowski | |
15 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | Catrike Ryder | |
16 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 10 | Frank Krygowski | |
17 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 2 | Frank Krygowski | |
17 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | Catrike Ryder | |
17 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | Frank Krygowski | |
26 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 6 | Frank Krygowski | |
27 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 5 | Frank Krygowski | |
27 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 4 | Catrike Ryder | |
27 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 2 | Frank Krygowski | |
27 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | Catrike Ryder | |
27 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | Frank Krygowski | |
15 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 21 | Rolf Mantel | |
15 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 20 | Frank Krygowski | |
17 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 19 | Catrike Ryder | |
18 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | zen cycle | |
18 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 17 | Catrike Ryder | |
18 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 16 | John B. | |
18 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 11 | Frank Krygowski | |
18 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 4 | Catrike Ryder | |
19 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 2 | John B. | |
19 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | Zen Cycle | |
19 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | John B. | |
18 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 6 | AMuzi | |
18 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 2 | Frank Krygowski | |
18 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | Catrike Ryder | |
19 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 3 | John B. | |
19 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | Frank Krygowski | |
19 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | Zen Cycle | |
19 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 4 | John B. | |
20 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 3 | John B. | |
21 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 2 | John B. | |
21 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | John B. | |
11 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 2 | Zen Cycle | |
11 Jul 24 | Re: New Bike Path | 1 | Catrike Ryder |
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