Sujet : Re: Food Prices
De : jeffl (at) *nospam* cruzio.com (Jeff Liebermann)
Groupes : rec.bicycles.techDate : 12. Jun 2025, 20:31:50
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 00:50:31 GMT, cyclintom <
cyclintom@yahoo.com>
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On Wed Jun 11 19:44:43 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/11/2025 4:42 PM, cyclintom wrote:
Energy prices have skyrocketed over the last 12 months as the wind and solar farms have gotten to the point of needing replacement.
Hmm. How odd. I see no replacements happening in any of the solar
installations in my area. Not many wind turbines here, but the ones I
saw along Lake Erie last week seemed to be churning away as usual.
I'd ask for sources of information, but I know the real source is the
voice in Tom's brain.
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Frank, stop acting like a single point in time is proof of anything.
Tom. I haven't seen much corroboration from you for your amazing
facts.
The 120 foot windmills require REGULAR replacement of the blades. They are NOT recyclable and are normally simply buried.
Mostly true. Yes, turbine blades are a problem, but they can be
recycled. They are stockpiled, not buried.
"Wind turbine blade recycling is underway in Iowa" June 14, 2024
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https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2024/06/14/wind-turbine-blade-recycling-is-underway-in-iowa/>
And the attached generators burn out often because the ends of the blades are traveling just under the speed of sound and shaking everything to pieces.
Amazing. I didn't know that turbine tip speed destroyed generators.
Usually, the gearbox wears out before the generator.
"Wind turbine gearboxes: When is 20 years not 20 years?"
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https://tamarindo.global/insight/analysis/wind-turbine-gearboxes-when-is-20-years-not-20-years/>
"So almost all gearboxes in a wind farm are likely to fail within 20
years."
Generators usually last a little longer (30 years):
"Wind Energy End-of-Service Guide"
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https://windexchange.energy.gov/end-of-service-guide>
Solar farms leave the dead cells in place until they begin to show steep drops in power output.
That's by design. In the distant past, the failure of a single cell
drastically reduced the panel output. With a properly designed MPPT
micro inverter system, single cell failures can be tolerated. When
output is reduced to 80% of nominal output, it's considered defective
and in need for replacement.
What's more solar farms are OFTEN left in place and simply deserted. The Mojave Desert here is rife with them.
You're probably thinking of the Ivanpah solar-thermal plant.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivanpah_Solar_Power_Facility>
It hasn't been abandoned, but is scheduled to shutdown in 2026:
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https://apnews.com/article/california-solar-energy-ivanpah-birds-tortoises-mojave-6d91c36a1ff608861d5620e715e1141c>
Since you claim that "the Mojave Desert here is rife with them",
perhaps you can provide a link to a list of decommissioned desert
power plants or aerial photos? I can easily find some that are still
operational, but nothing that looks deserted or abandoned:
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https://www.google.com/search?q=decommissioned%20Mojave%20solar%20power%20plants%20-Ivanpah&udm=2>
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https://www.google.com/search?q=abandoned%20Mojave%20solar%20power%20plants%20-Ivanpah&udm=2>
The circular power plant is Ivanpah. I looked through many pages of
photos and couldn't find an abandoned or decommission solar power
plant in the Mojave Desert. You really should check your facts before
your waste my time proving you wrong (as usual).
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