Re: RE: Re: Frank and his electric car

On 3/11/2024 12:53 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Sun Mar 10 14:31:34 2024 Bob F  wrote:

On 3/10/2024 8:53 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:

Frank, here is a statement from the National Highway Traffic Safety Board
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"In August 2012, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) decided to begin a US$8.75 million study of whether lithium-ion batteries in plug-electric vehicles pose a potential fire hazard. The research looked at whether the high-voltage batteries can cause fires when they are being charged and when the vehicles are involved in an accident.[23] The research from 2013 was initiated to evaluate the fire risk 400-volt lithium ion batteries pose. General Motors assisted the NHTSA researchers, and the study was issued in October 2017. The report concluded, "...ignition of flammable electrolytic solvents used in Li-ion battery systems are anticipated to be somewhat comparable to or perhaps slightly less than those for gasoline or diesel vehicular fuels. The overall consequences for Li-ion batteries are expected to be less because of the much smaller amounts of flammable solvent released and burning in a catastrophic failure situation."
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This entire subject started when I attempted to warn you that EV's are unsafe to an extent that you're not aware of. But you violently denied that with all of the BS you could muster.
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Right there it says that EV fires are about as often as gasoline fires on ICE vehicles. That means RARE but ICE cars do not have gasoline explosions and are almost always caused by wrecks whereas EV explosions occur for little to no reason and are so violent that you cannot exit to safety in most cases.
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I realize that you believe that buying an EV proves your God-like judgement but if I were you I would put very many very loud fire detectors around your home. And keep their batteries up to date.

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"Australia?s Department of Defence funded EV FireSafe to look into the
question. It found there was a 0.0012% chance of a passenger electric
vehicle battery catching fire, compared with a 0.1% chance for internal
combustion engine cars. (The Home Office said it was unable to provide
data for the UK.)
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Elon Musk?s Tesla is the world?s biggest maker of electric cars. It says
the number of fires on US roads involving Teslas from 2012 to 2021 was
11 times lower per mile than the figure for all cars, the vast majority
of which have petrol or diesel engines."
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/20/do-electric-cars-pose-a-greater-fire-risk-than-petrol-or-diesel-vehicles
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https://internationalfireandsafetyjournal.com/research-highlights-lower-fire-risk-in-electric-cars-compared-to-petrol-and-diesel-vehicles/
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    Frank claims there to be 12 million EV's on the road and using the Australian numbers that would put the number of EV fires at 14,000. Frank claims that there were only 12 fires.

There are no good vehicle fires:
https://www.theblaze.com/news/watch-bodycam-footage-released-after-los-angeles-teen-burns-to-death-in-horrifying-car-crash
but thankfully auto immolation is relatively rare for both systems.
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