Re: Some traffic stats

On 3/15/2024 7:54 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 07:31:47 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
 

On 3/14/2024 4:17 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 17:06:08 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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Please. For ~99% of cyclists, bicycling is not a "sport."

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Nonsense.

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<chuckle>
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A dumbass who reads:
"Approximately 76,000 pedestrians and 47,000 bicyclists are injured in
roadway crashes annually in the United States."
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and concludes
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"Of course riding bicycles is more dangerous than walking and those
figures, if true, substantiate it."
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claiming others are writing nonsense.

 There many, many more than twice the number of pedestrians than
bicyclists, Dummy, and yet the number of pedestrian accidents is less
than twice the number of bicycling accidents.
 Furthermore, your previous claim of comparing the mileage is also a
ridiculously stupid way to evaluate the statistics given the total
amount of time the activities are vulnerable to having an accident.
 In other words, the total time all the pedestrians spend being
pedestrians compared to total  time all the bicyclists are bicycling
is also exponentially greater, given that a bicyclists covers three,
four, five times more miles than a pedestrian in a given amount of
time. and yet, even then, Dummy, the number of pedestrian accidents is
less than twice the number of bicycling accidents.
 <sigh> Some people (Junior Carrington and Krygowski ) are too simple
minded to look at data and evaluate what it really represents.

I'll repeat:
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Powell et. al., “Injury Rates from Walking, Gardening, Weightlifting, Outdoor Bicycling and Aerobics”, Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise, 1998, Vol. 30 pp. 1246-9 polled over 5000 people who had chosen at least one of those activities for exercise. One question was whether the participant had incurred an injury during the previous month.
The results:
Weightlifting: 2.4% of participants injured
Gardening or yard work: 1.6%
Aerobic Dance: 1.4%
Walking for exercise: 1.4%
Outdoor bicycling: 0.9%
And while injuries =/= fatalities, Dr. John Pucher of Rutgers has published (in "Making Walking and Cycling Safer: Lessons from Europe") an estimate from U.S. data that bicyclists suffer 109 fatalities per billion km ridden.  Pedestrians suffer 362 fatalities per billion km, three times as bad!
Pucher's number works out to 5.7 million miles ridden per fatality for cyclists, 1.7 million miles walked per fatality for pedestrians. And Pucher's later work, as well as other sources, show he greatly overstated the bicycling risk. It's now widely accepted that Americans ride over ten million miles between fatalities.
British data for decades has consistently found more pedestrian fatalities per mile traveled than bicycling fatalities per mile. AFAIK, there have been only a couple years in the past 20 where the reverse was true. I've also seen Australian data showing the same result.
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Perhaps the concept of "per mile" is too complicated for some readers?
BTW, I've often wondered why avid cyclists are so prone to declare bicycling dangerous. I don't see the same tendency in dedicated runners, tennis players, swimmers, etc.
But it occurs to me, if a person is timid enough and afraid enough, that person might argue to inflate danger estimates so as to make himself look a little less foolish.
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- Frank Krygowski