Re: Bicycle physics question

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Sujet : Re: Bicycle physics question
De : <bp (at) *nospam* www.zefox.net>
Groupes : rec.bicycles.tech
Date : 20. Jun 2024, 05:21:06
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AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
 
That all seems right to me, assuming CG means distance to
tire contact and not height.

The potential energy represented by the bike is the work
needed to raise the bike's CG against the force of gravity.
PE is mass times gravity times height measured along gravity,
not along the bike..

Part of what makes the problem confusing is that the rider
is in a non-inertial frame, leaning and turning along with
slowing down and speeding up. That may be confusing my
senses

ISTR a flying rule of thumb that when banking an airplane
it's necessary to increase power to maintain elevation.

Bicycles have some kinship to aircraft in their dynamics,
maybe a pilot could chime in.

An example would be riding figure-8's. I feel like I have
to "pedal out" every half cycle if the 8's are tight. Is
it just my imagination? If it _isn't_ my imagination, where
is the extra work going? Tom thinks it's into friction. I
can't tell. .

Thanks for writing,

bob prohaska


Date Sujet#  Auteur
18 Jun 24 * Bicycle physics question50<bp
18 Jun 24 +- Re: Bicycle physics question1John B.
18 Jun 24 +* Re: Bicycle physics question46Jeff Liebermann
20 Jun 24 i`* Re: Bicycle physics question45<bp
20 Jun 24 i +* Re: Bicycle physics question40Frank Krygowski
20 Jun 24 i i+* Re: Bicycle physics question14AMuzi
20 Jun 24 i ii+* Re: Bicycle physics question2<bp
25 Jun 24 i iii`- Re: Bicycle physics question1<bp
21 Jun 24 i ii+* Re: Bicycle physics question2Jeff Liebermann
22 Jun 24 i iii`- Re: Bicycle physics question1AMuzi
21 Jun 24 i ii`* Re: Bicycle physics question9Frank Krygowski
22 Jun 24 i ii `* Re: Bicycle physics question8Frank Krygowski
22 Jun 24 i ii  `* Re: Bicycle physics question7Catrike Ryder
25 Jun 24 i ii   `* Re: Bicycle physics question6Frank Krygowski
25 Jun 24 i ii    `* Re: Bicycle physics question5Zen Cycle
25 Jun 24 i ii     +* Re: Bicycle physics question2Jeff Liebermann
25 Jun 24 i ii     i`- Re: Bicycle physics question1Zen Cycle
26 Jun 24 i ii     `* Re: Bicycle physics question2John B.
26 Jun 24 i ii      `- Re: Bicycle physics question1Zen Cycle
20 Jun 24 i i`* Re: Bicycle physics question25zen cycle
20 Jun 24 i i +- Re: Bicycle physics question1AMuzi
20 Jun 24 i i `* Re: Bicycle physics question23Frank Krygowski
20 Jun 24 i i  `* Re: Bicycle physics question22AMuzi
20 Jun 24 i i   `* Re: Bicycle physics question21Frank Krygowski
21 Jun 24 i i    `* Re: Bicycle physics question20AMuzi
21 Jun 24 i i     +* Re: Bicycle physics question4Catrike Ryder
21 Jun 24 i i     i`* Re: Bicycle physics question3AMuzi
21 Jun 24 i i     i `* Re: Bicycle physics question2Catrike Ryder
21 Jun 24 i i     i  `- Re: Bicycle physics question1AMuzi
21 Jun 24 i i     +- Re: Bicycle physics question1Jeff Liebermann
21 Jun 24 i i     `* Re: Bicycle physics question14zen cycle
21 Jun 24 i i      +- Re: Bicycle physics question1Frank Krygowski
22 Jun 24 i i      +* Re: Bicycle physics question5AMuzi
22 Jun 24 i i      i`* Re: Bicycle physics question4Frank Krygowski
23 Jun 24 i i      i `* Re: Bicycle physics question3AMuzi
24 Jun 24 i i      i  +- Re: Bicycle physics question1Frank Krygowski
26 Jun 24 i i      i  `- Re: Bicycle physics question1Jeff Liebermann
22 Jun 24 i i      +* Re: Bicycle physics question6zen cycle
24 Jun 24 i i      i+* Re: Bicycle physics question4AMuzi
24 Jun 24 i i      ii+- Re: Bicycle physics question1Zen Cycle
24 Jun 24 i i      ii+- Re: Bicycle physics question1Zen Cycle
24 Jun 24 i i      ii`- Re: Bicycle physics question1Jeff Liebermann
24 Jun 24 i i      i`- Re: Bicycle physics question1Jeff Liebermann
22 Jun 24 i i      `- Re: Bicycle physics question1Jeff Liebermann
20 Jun 24 i `* Re: Bicycle physics question4Jeff Liebermann
20 Jun 24 i  +* Re: Bicycle physics question2Frank Krygowski
20 Jun 24 i  i`- Re: Bicycle physics question1Ted Heise
20 Jun 24 i  `- Re: Bicycle physics question1AMuzi
20 Jun 24 `* Re: Bicycle physics question2Doc O'Leary ,
20 Jun 24  `- Re: Bicycle physics question1Jeff Liebermann

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