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Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:I think they're explaining quite clearly what they don't like and why. Andrew and Rolf and I have expressed some of the same points. When Jay Beattie was posting here, he said much the same.On 6/24/2024 3:38 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:What a someone who dislikes bike lanes dislikes bike lanes well how aboutFrank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:>On 6/24/2024 4:40 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:That’s being obtuse it’s the political aspect ie the Advocacy against bike>>
It’s more his or rather Vehicular cycling as an ideology or political idea
which it is, which is dead as dodo.
Sorry, that's not making sense. "Vehicular Cycling" is essentially
riding a bicycle as a legal vehicle on a normal road according to
existing laws. Are you saying that's political? And that it should not
be allowed?
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infrastructure.
You need to re-read this:
https://cyclingsavvy.org/2024/06/how-to-ruin-a-buffered-bike-lane/
that!
As ever with cherry picking, can’t speak for that lane as I’ve not used it...Please note that the author _has_ used it!
but in all probability I’ve used much busier and faster moving segregatedYou're over-using "cherry picking" and applying it to anything you can't rebut. And conversely, your tendency to use the London Embankment as the perfect example to defend (all?) other segregated facilities _does_ qualify as cherry picking!
bike lanes, as long as they are wide and it’s fine, as ever it’s cherry
picking examples.
do I like wands? Not much to be honest but they are low risk, clearlySome of us have pointed out excessively narrow bike chutes. Some of us have pointed out collisions with curbs or posts. I've pointed out studies that documented increased, not decreased, crash risk.
hitting the concrete kerbs wouldn’t be wise, but you cycle about same
distance out as you would on the road.
That is quite obviously flat out _wrong!_ I mentioned and/or gave links to education programs that are based on the principles he pointed out. And as I said, aside from a fairy tale world where every street has a magic "innovative" bike chute, cyclists will always need to ride normal roads. The best way to do that is to use Vehicular Cycling principles.Again, [Forester] brought the advice to a population that had never heard it.And yet it’s sunk with out trace now!
I'll add, he explained it all with logic that was unassailable - except
by those who refuse to use logic, but instead prefer propaganda.
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