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On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 22:34:16 -0400, Frank KrygowskiThis sounds like the Austrian "Cyclists using cycle lanes must slow down to 8(?)mph at each junction even when they have right of way". This might reduce the accident rate but it certainly makes the cycle lane unusable for commuting.
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/27/2024 9:56 PM, John B. wrote:<SIGH> Another Krygowski strawman..>>On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 23:51:38 -0400, Frank KrygowskiAll of which seems to emphasize my rule,"Don't get hit"
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>This same hazard applies to "innovative" bi-directional bike lanes.>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k6-AI_X1qE
That facility recorded over ten times the rate of car-bike crashes that
existed before it was installed.
Using the example above, you are riding down the sidewalk and you come
up to a driveway with a car, nose out apparently trying to drive onto
the road, don't you watch closely what that car is going to do?
If you're a 10 year old kid? Probably not. A kid's experience and
knowledge and probably brain development are all insufficient to let him
reliably anticipate that hazard.
>
Yet those proposing or demanding weird things like bi-directional
on-street bike paths claim that such facilities will be safe for "anyone
8 to 80". Parents as well as kids hear that propaganda - but the
facilities actually introduce new hazards and complications, as shown in
that video.
>
Claiming the cyclist failed to obey "Don't get hit" makes little sense.
That cyclist had the right of way. Are you claiming every cyclist on
that facility is supposed to come to a complete stop and - what? - wave
to the driver to get his attention?
No, nobody expects every cyclist on that facility to "come to a
complete stop and wave to the driver to get his attention?" What seems
reasonable to me is that cyclists, pedestrians, joggers,people in
wheelchairs, etc should watch for drivers who are getting ready to
pull out of side steeets and driveways.
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