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On 6/28/2024 7:11 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:<sigh> another blatantly ignorant and useless opinion from the floriduh dumbass. You very clearly have so little experience riding on these cycleways under discussion sheltered little recreational rail trails are your only point of reference.On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 12:45:01 +0200, Rolf Mantel
<news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
>Am 28.06.2024 um 10:47 schrieb Catrike Ryder:>On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 22:34:16 -0400, Frank Krygowski>
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>On 6/27/2024 9:56 PM, John B. wrote:>>>On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 23:51:38 -0400, Frank KrygowskiAll of which seems to emphasize my rule,"Don't get hit"
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>This same hazard applies to "innovative" bi-directional bike lanes.>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k6-AI_X1qE
That facility recorded over ten times the rate of car-bike crashes that
existed before it was installed.
Using the example above, you are riding down the sidewalk and you come
up to a driveway with a car, nose out apparently trying to drive onto
the road, don't you watch closely what that car is going to do?
If you're a 10 year old kid? Probably not. A kid's experience and
knowledge and probably brain development are all insufficient to let him
reliably anticipate that hazard.
>
Yet those proposing or demanding weird things like bi-directional
on-street bike paths claim that such facilities will be safe for "anyone
8 to 80". Parents as well as kids hear that propaganda - but the
facilities actually introduce new hazards and complications, as shown in
that video.
>
Claiming the cyclist failed to obey "Don't get hit" makes little sense.
That cyclist had the right of way. Are you claiming every cyclist on
that facility is supposed to come to a complete stop and - what? - wave
to the driver to get his attention?
<SIGH> Another Krygowski strawman..
>
No, nobody expects every cyclist on that facility to "come to a
complete stop and wave to the driver to get his attention?" What seems
reasonable to me is that cyclists, pedestrians, joggers,people in
wheelchairs, etc should watch for drivers who are getting ready to
pull out of side steeets and driveways.
This sounds like the Austrian "Cyclists using cycle lanes must slow down
to 8(?)mph at each junction even when they have right of way". This
might reduce the accident rate but it certainly makes the cycle lane
unusable for commuting.
I didn't say anything about slowing down. I simply suggested watching
out for dangerous situations and reacting accordingly.
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