Re: New Bike Path

On 7/26/2024 3:33 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

On 7/26/2024 8:38 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

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I'm just reporting on what actually happens, not what would happen in
some ideal world.
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No your as ever using select information ie cherry picking, ie using
absolute numbers over the rate, Summit Street numbers of casualties have
gone up as has number using the bike lane.

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Summit Street bike use increased about 75%, as I recall. Car-bike
crashes increased something like ten fold.
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Crashes when from 6 to 19 this is such low and poor statistics, after all
wasn’t a death post construction low numbers like these really are iffy.

Nonsense! In the years prior to the installation, they had six car bike crashes in 37 months. Immediately afterward they had eleven car-bike crashes in 8 months. There is no chance of that NOT being statistically significant! To pretend otherwise is laughable.

That's irrelevant. The glorious, lobbied-for, heralded bike trap made
things much more dangerous for bicyclists.
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I rather suspect any lobby group particularly in 2018 would have wanted a
protected bike lane not what they got!

You're completely ignoring the crash mechanisms. See below.

I’d also note that while called a protected
cycle route it’s largely absent ie mainly paint having a google maps ride
though, and channels one into the door zone!

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In other words "What the lobbyists asked for and got is terrible!"
Another example of those ever-shifting goal posts.
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No it clearly isn’t a protected cycleway for most of its length seems to
only be paint to call it protected is really overselling it, if not
deliberately misleading.

The crashes happened at intersections, where motorists were entering or exiting side streets. You can "protect" a bikeway by erecting ten foot tall concrete walls if you like; but there must still be gaps for side street access. Unless you believe in 100% grade separation, or perhaps flying cars.
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- Frank Krygowski