Re: cyclists attack auto driver

On 8/23/2024 9:41 PM, John B. wrote:

On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 13:32:13 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
 

On 8/23/2024 11:37 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 11:04:46 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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On 8/23/2024 10:19 AM, Ted Heise wrote:

On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 15:37:33 -0500,
     AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 8/21/2024 2:31 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 11:30:45 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

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Spoken like a man totally ignorant of music theory, how
difficult it can be and how useful it is when playing,
improvising or composing.

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<LOL> I doubt the lack of knowledge of music theory caused
Willy Nelson, Peter Frampton, Paul Simon, John Lennon,
McArtney, or George Harrison, any trouble...  Need I go on? I
could fill the page with succesful musician/composers who
never even heard the term "music theory."

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    Yes to all that but an equal number of counterexamples.
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    There's no general rule; Formal training assists and enriches
    some performers/songwriters while others get along well on
    extreme diligence and independent study alone.  Once in a while
    there's even a 'natural', a.k.a., 'idiot savant' as an outlier.
    From musicians I've known, I'd say success correlates strongly
    to extreme diligence above all else.

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+1
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As someone who started college as a music major, I can confirm the
two main categories of career are teaching and performing.  So far
as classical music goes, making a career out of performing has a
couple of options: toiling away at very low paying jobs or hitting
the bigtime as a star.  Like professional athletics, great success
alomost requires an extreme degree of dedication and effort--not
to mention some luck,  It didn't take me too long to reaize I
didn't want to spend half (or more) of every day practicing.  On
top of that, I didn't really want to teach--so I made an informed
decision to switch majors.
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FWIW, I had music theory in high school, and really enjoyed it.
It definitely enhanced my musical abilities too.

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Music was one of the majors I considered on entering the university. I'm
glad I chose engineering. I'm deeply into music, I practice and/or play
daily (usually on more than one instrument), but I think it's much more
pleasant as an avocation. I wouldn't have liked a life where I was
constantly hustling to get performance gigs.
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I'm jealous that you got music theory in high school. Back then I played
clarinet, a single line melody instrument. Nobody thought I needed to
know anything but how to read melody. I've since spent long hours
pondering things like, say, the difference between Natural Minor and
Dorian Mode, and the effect on harmony and chord selections.

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Good grief. It's very easy to figure out what sounds good for those of
us that play and sing by ear. Experimenting on the keyboard is a
pleasant diversion. I often play it through earphones so as not to
wake up my wife and neighbors in the middle of the night. Like I say
in my book bios, I don't entertain any more.

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Something tells me it's a bit like this
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https://www.tiktok.com/@johnhughesmovies/video/7207089470225632555?lang=en

 https://www.pdmusic.org/famous-musicians-who-cant-read-music/
20 Influential & Famous Musicians Who Couldn't Read Music
Jimi Hendrix
Eric Clapton
Paul McCartney
Elvis Presley
Michael Jackson
Stevie Wonder
  Bob Dylan
John Lennon
Prince
B.B. King
Janis Joplin
 see the reference site for the rest :-0

The inability to read sheet music doesn't indicate a lack of understanding of chord structures, timing/syncopation, etc., regardless of where or how you learned it