Re: BOLO pervert cyclist

On 9/8/2024 6:19 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 9/8/2024 5:20 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

On 9/8/2024 11:25 AM, AMuzi wrote:

On 9/7/2024 10:32 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 9/7/2024 11:12 PM, John B. wrote:

On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 22:47:51 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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On 9/7/2024 9:03 PM, John B. wrote:

On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 13:36:49 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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On 9/7/2024 11:10 AM, AMuzi wrote:

On 9/7/2024 10:04 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

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Auto crash fatalities are a regrettable side effect of the use
of cars
for transportation. And cars are so beneficial for
transportation that
American society would cease to function if cars could not be used.
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Mass murders in schools are a regrettable side effect of the
worship
of guns, especially AR-style rifles, the weapon of choice for such
murders. And I'll note that you have _still_ never managed to
state a
practical societal benefit of ARs in public possession.
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Unlike cars, if ARs could not be used, America would be better
off by
far. Just the tax savings from not having to "harden" public
schools
would be worth the change.
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Or to summarize yet again: Benefits vs. detriments, John! A concept
that absolutely baffles you!
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By that logic, are fatal car crashes by Ford Fiesta or Prius drivers
less tragic than those by scary black pickups?

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We could certainly talk about advantages vs. disadvantages of huge
pickup trucks and other similar vehicles. Books have been written on
that topic.

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Like
https://www.truckaddons.com/pros-and-cons-of-owning- a- pickup/
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Notice I provide a reference, you don't.

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https://slate.com/business/2022/02/suvs-pickups- heavy- huge-deadly-
dont-buy-em.html
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or
https://reason.com/2024/02/02/why-are-pickup-trucks- ridiculously-
huge-blame-government/
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"... critics aren't entirely wrong to point out the ill effects of
mega-truck proliferation—or the oddity of using a 6,500- pound,
22-foot-long vehicle mainly as a grocery-getter. Pedestrian deaths have
reached 40-year highs and the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety
research shows that as trucks and SUVs have gotten taller and heavier,
they likewise have posed greater risks to those outside the vehicle."
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I have no problem with compact pickup trucks, just as I have no problem
with what were always considered normal and legitimate hunting rifles.
But bloated, oversized modern pickup trucks are a close parallel to
AR-style guns. They are bought mostly to raise the owners' testosterone
level, by providing capabilities that are essentially never needed. And
the detriments are externalities, imposed on others who get none of the
minuscule benefits.

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I can't say for the U.S. but here pickups are used, many times for
(probably) then they were intended to haul.
https://www.hotcars.com/thailand-largest-pickup-truck- market-in-the-
world/
And the article pretty well says that your two references just aren't
true... at least here.
https://duckduckgo.com/?
q=thailand+pickup+trucks&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic1.hotcarsimages.com%2Fwordpress%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2023%2F01%2Fpthai3.jpg&t=lm
The multitude of used of pickups here. There are even a few home made
pickups shown.

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America is different. See https://www.thedrive.com/ news/26907/you-
dont-need-a-full-size-pickup-truck-you-need- a-cowboy- costume
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Among other points the author makes, "...a significant portion of
truck owners never use their trucks for these capabilities. According
to Edwards’ data, 75 percent of truck owners use their truck for
towing one time a year or less (meaning, never). Nearly 70 percent of
truck owners go off-road one time a year or less. And a full 35
percent of truck owners use their truck for hauling— putting something
in the bed, its ostensible raison d’être—once a year or less."
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Same argument applies to 95% of race bikes and probably half of all
upper end bicycles. They are mostly sitting in garages as we speak.

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Correct, of course, but even the most avid rider's bike is probably
sitting in his garage at any given moment.
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It would be more accurate to say that most race bikes are never raced.
Which should be a strong clue that a race bike is probably far from the
best choice for most bicyclists.
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But hey, they're fashionable!
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I believe that’s been one of the trends for Endurance vs Race bikes ie just
because a racer be that Pro or Amateur can hold such a position doesn’t
mean mortals can!
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And likewise stuff like Gravel Bikes that can handle big road climbs or
follow MTB’s down trails and generally have wide performance
characteristics.
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This said I’d be surprised if high end bikes did sit in sheds unused, as in
my experience folks who bother to buy such bikes do tend to be into the
sport, ie not someone’s first adult bike which they buy but never use bar
perhaps a few weekends in summer.
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Absolutely folks lives change and bikes don’t get used anymore and so on.
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But the stuff in the shed seems mid end at best.

We should ask Tom about that, and about his current inventory. ISTM he buys an endless string of bikes that turn out to be not what he hoped, one way or another.
  

He may well, as many do, enjoy tinkering, reworking the builds and swapping components as an end in itself.
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Andrew Muzi
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