Re: 8 & 9 year old girls riding bicycles

On 12/25/2024 3:25 PM, AMuzi wrote:

On 12/25/2024 1:26 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 12/25/2024 4:53 AM, John B. wrote:

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I've mentioned numerous times that my family had guns in the house for
3 generations with no one being shoot. But reality apparently has no
bearing on what some people want to be true.

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I think there's no way to logically converse with people who think one or two anecdotes are more valid than reams of carefully gathered data.
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So much for science!
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 For actual numbers:
 400 million civilian firearms with just under 20,000 firearm homicides per year, one per 20,000 firearms.
 https://usafacts.org/data-projects/firearms-suicides
 About 100 million bicycles
 https://electronwheel.com/bike-facts-and-statistics/
 for about 1300 deaths, one per 73,528 bicycles
  https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/bicycle- deaths/
 Which is a lower rate, only 27% of the likelihood of death per bicycle as per firearm.
 283,400,986 autos and light trucks in USA
 https://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/how-many-cars-are-in-the-us.html
 with 44,534 auto/ light truck deaths, one per 6363 vehicles.
 https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/accidental-injury.htm
 That's over 3x (3.14) more dangerous per vehicle as per firearm.
  For an anecdote, all four of my firearms have been oiled and cased, undisturbed in any way, for well over a month. Not one of them has jumped up and wrought mayhem. Not even a little bit.

Nice try, Andrew, but that's a thorough and elaborate attempt at distraction.
The issue specifically being discussed is whether there's more risk of being shot - or killed by gunshot - when there is a gun in the house, versus no gun in the house.
The data is clear, and not even close. Even accounting for differences in neighborhood climate (or comparing houses that are both in the same sorts of neighborhoods) if you have a gun in the house, it's more likely that people will be harmed or killed by that gun.
Of course there are houses with guns that have not had that experience. Just as there are people who smoked and did not die of lung cancer. Nobody is claiming 100% of guns cause death, nor that 100% of gun owner households have gun deaths. The evidence is that the risk is over twice as high in those households, not 100%.
Citing bicycle crashes, car crashes, or any other source of harm are attempts at distraction.
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- Frank Krygowski