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De : frkrygow (at) *nospam* sbcglobal.net (Frank Krygowski)
Groupes : rec.bicycles.tech
Date : 12. Jan 2025, 01:16:55
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On 1/11/2025 3:50 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Fri Jan 10 18:42:07 2025 Frank Krygowski  wrote:
 I've never said I take the lane "everywhere." I've said many, many times
that if there's enough space to safely share the lane, I do that.
>
I'm not riding anywhere now, with lots of now and temperatures below 25
Fahrenheit. But in milder weather, yes, I prefer to ride quiet streets.
But when necessary or desirable, I ride the four lane with ~30,000 cars
per day that's a quarter mile from my house. I ride city center downtown
streets. I ride country roads, including state highways. Out west, I've
ridden hundreds of miles on freeways where that was legal.
 Frank, the problemn is that you're always careful to leave and out while implying otherwise. Do not say " I take the lane" without including "when safe".
I take the lane pretty much by default. I don't take the lane when the lane is wide enough to safely share - that is, so wide that a car could pass me giving at least three feet of clearance without moving left into the next lane over.
I keep asking you and others about being approached from behind by an 8.5 foot truck (a common truck width) while riding in a 10 foot lane (common around here) with no shoulder (also common).  I absolutely would be in the center of the lane in that situation. There's no reasonable alternative other than jumping off your bike - and perhaps, touching your forehead to the ground as a sign of submission.
I have a legal right to the road. I use it.
--
- Frank Krygowski

Date Sujet#  Auteur
9 Jan 25 * Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?93Frank Krygowski
9 Jan 25 +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?18Roger Merriman
10 Jan 25 i+* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?9Frank Krygowski
10 Jan 25 ii+- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Wolfgang Strobl
11 Jan 25 ii+* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?5Roger Merriman
11 Jan 25 iii`* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?4Frank Krygowski
11 Jan 25 iii `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?3Roger Merriman
12 Jan 25 iii  `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?2Frank Krygowski
12 Jan 25 iii   `- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Roger Merriman
13 Jan 25 ii`* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?2Frank Krygowski
14 Jan 25 ii `- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Roger Merriman
15 Jan 25 i+* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?6Frank Krygowski
16 Jan 25 ii`* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?5zen cycle
16 Jan 25 ii `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?4John B.
16 Jan 25 ii  +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?2zen cycle
16 Jan 25 ii  i`- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Frank Krygowski
16 Jan 25 ii  `- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1AMuzi
16 Jan 25 i`* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?2Roger Merriman
21 Jan 25 i `- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Roger Merriman
10 Jan 25 `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?74Tom Kunich
10 Jan 25  +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?72Frank Krygowski
11 Jan 25  i+* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?64Frank Krygowski
12 Jan 25  ii`* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?63Frank Krygowski
12 Jan 25  ii `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?62John B.
12 Jan 25  ii  `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?61Catrike Ryder
12 Jan 25  ii   `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?60Frank Krygowski
12 Jan 25  ii    +- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Catrike Ryder
12 Jan 25  ii    +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?46Roger Merriman
13 Jan 25  ii    i+- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Catrike Ryder
13 Jan 25  ii    i+* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?18Frank Krygowski
13 Jan 25  ii    ii+* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?16Roger Merriman
13 Jan 25  ii    iii`* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?15Frank Krygowski
13 Jan 25  ii    iii `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?14Catrike Ryder
14 Jan 25  ii    iii  `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?13John B.
14 Jan 25  ii    iii   +- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1AMuzi
14 Jan 25  ii    iii   `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?11Catrike Ryder
14 Jan 25  ii    iii    +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?3John B.
14 Jan 25  ii    iii    i+- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Catrike Ryder
14 Jan 25  ii    iii    i`- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1AMuzi
14 Jan 25  ii    iii    `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?7Frank Krygowski
14 Jan 25  ii    iii     +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?5AMuzi
14 Jan 25  ii    iii     i+- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Catrike Ryder
14 Jan 25  ii    iii     i+* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?2Frank Krygowski
14 Jan 25  ii    iii     ii`- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Catrike Ryder
15 Jan 25  ii    iii     i`- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1John B.
14 Jan 25  ii    iii     `- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Catrike Ryder
13 Jan 25  ii    ii`- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Catrike Ryder
13 Jan 25  ii    i`* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?26John B.
13 Jan 25  ii    i +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?2Roger Merriman
13 Jan 25  ii    i i`- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1John B.
13 Jan 25  ii    i +- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Catrike Ryder
13 Jan 25  ii    i `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?22Frank Krygowski
13 Jan 25  ii    i  +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?3Catrike Ryder
14 Jan 25  ii    i  i`* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?2John B.
14 Jan 25  ii    i  i `- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Frank Krygowski
13 Jan 25  ii    i  `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?18Wolfgang Strobl
13 Jan 25  ii    i   +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?3Catrike Ryder
17 Jan 25  ii    i   i`* Riding country roads (was: Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?)2Wolfgang Strobl
17 Jan 25  ii    i   i `- Re: Riding country roads (was: Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?)1Catrike Ryder
14 Jan 25  ii    i   `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?14John B.
14 Jan 25  ii    i    +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?3Roger Merriman
14 Jan 25  ii    i    i`* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?2John B.
14 Jan 25  ii    i    i `- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Roger Merriman
14 Jan 25  ii    i    +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?7Wolfgang Strobl
15 Jan 25  ii    i    i`* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?6John B.
15 Jan 25  ii    i    i `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?5Wolfgang Strobl
15 Jan 25  ii    i    i  +- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1AMuzi
15 Jan 25  ii    i    i  +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?2Frank Krygowski
15 Jan 25  ii    i    i  i`- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Roger Merriman
15 Jan 25  ii    i    i  `- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1John B.
14 Jan 25  ii    i    `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?3Frank Krygowski
14 Jan 25  ii    i     `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?2Joy Beeson
14 Jan 25  ii    i      `- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Roger Merriman
13 Jan 25  ii    `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?12John B.
13 Jan 25  ii     `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?11Frank Krygowski
13 Jan 25  ii      +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?5Catrike Ryder
14 Jan 25  ii      i+- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Catrike Ryder
16 Jan 25  ii      i`* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?3John B.
16 Jan 25  ii      i +- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Catrike Ryder
16 Jan 25  ii      i `- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1zen cycle
14 Jan 25  ii      `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?5Frank Krygowski
14 Jan 25  ii       +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?2AMuzi
14 Jan 25  ii       i`- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Catrike Ryder
14 Jan 25  ii       +- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Catrike Ryder
14 Jan 25  ii       `- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Radey Shouman
11 Jan 25  i`* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?7John B.
11 Jan 25  i +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?3zen cycle
11 Jan 25  i i`* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?2Roger Merriman
12 Jan 25  i i `- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Frank Krygowski
11 Jan 25  i `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?3Frank Krygowski
13 Jan 25  i  `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?2Tom Kunich
13 Jan 25  i   `- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Frank Krygowski
11 Jan 25  `- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1John B.

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