Re: Oddities

On 4/10/2025 1:57 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 09:24:26 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
 

On Wed, 09 Apr 2025 15:46:53 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
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On Wed, 09 Apr 2025 15:31:35 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
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One of the things that has really puzzled me is the reaction
of Liebermann and Flunky to my simoply saying that I read
out aoll of the nun-fiction books in three libraries.

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Oddly, your current claim is now quite different from what you
originally claimed:
06/07/2022
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/QNPNSofg064/m/Xaamy15iBQAJ>
"I would warrant that I've read more than 20 times more books than you
have. I read out three public libraries, the military library and all
of the books I used to gain the knowledge to become an engineer."
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Hmmm... no mention of reading only non-fiction books.  Is there
anything else you forgot to include, such as how many books you
actually read?  Since you only read non-fiction, did you read all the
books that are classified by the Dewey Decimal System as non-fiction,
such as:
"Non Fiction: the Dewey Decimal System"
<https://blogs.glowscotland.org.uk/nl/braidhurstlibrary/non-fiction-dewey-decimal-system/>
That's still a HUGE number of books.
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Incidentally, if you really wanted to obtain a technical education by
only reading, books are not a good way to learn anything beyond the
basics.  What you should have read was up to date technical
publications, research reports, trade journals, industry magazines,
patents, etc.  Even if read all these, you would not have obtained any
hands-on or practical experience.
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Re "gain the knowledge to become an engineer."
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But anyone can "Become an "Engineer" these days. I saw a big yellow
truck with "Sanitation Engineer: on both sides... picking up the
garbage in front of my house just the other day.

 Well, being an engineer began with a person who helped operate a
locomotive.  It then spread to operating stationary engines (pumps,
lifts, wells, generators, etc).  I would be hard pressed to find
anything resembling an engine with many types of engineers.
 My guess(tm) is that today's engineers have expanded into areas that
require the ability to calculate whatever they're building without
resorting to cut-n-try or trial-and-error methods.  More crudely,
these engineers design something on paper or in a computer before it's
built.  I don't know what a "sanitation engineer" actually does, but
it's quite different from a "sanitary engineer".
<https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/finding-a-job/what-does-sanitation-engineer-do>
 

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Drivel:  I've been a bit busy and have not been able spend much time
fixing your mistakes.  I should be done with my repair backlog in
about 5 to 10 days.

 Actually, I was suppose to be done with the repair tonight and had
planned on loafing for a few days.  That isn't going to happen.  My
customer just called informing me that his computer failed again.
 Drivel:  It's midnight and I'm busy reducing my rec.bicycles.tech
reading backlog a manageable number of articles worth reading.
 

Almost but not quite.
Boulton & Watt produced the first widely commercialized practical steam engines for pumping water from mines, later for textile and other mills.  Customers paid not only for use of the machinery but also for wages to Watt's machine operators whom he christened 'engineers', slightly changing the classic term 'designer', especially in civil engineering, to include 'operator' as in later trains and now sanitation, software etc.
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