Sujet : Re: Allez
De : frkrygow (at) *nospam* sbcglobal.net (Frank Krygowski)
Groupes : rec.bicycles.techDate : 25. Mar 2024, 22:38:53
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On 3/25/2024 12:29 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/25/2024 10:54 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/25/2024 11:08 AM, AMuzi wrote:
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Laws affect law abiding citizens. No effect otherwise...
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Nope. That's tremendously exaggerated.
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Yes, some law breakers escape punishment. Some others are caught but delay conviction and punishment interminably, by tactics like countless court delays and appeals. (That usually applies only to the wealthy, of course.)
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But many law breakers are caught, and even those who are not caught usually have their behavior affected, in that they have to take steps to avoid being caught. That counts as at least some beneficial effect.
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We shouldn't pretend we're as bad off as Mogadishu or Port-Au-Prince.
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... as in the weekend news in Seattle:
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https://mynorthwest.com/3955536/18-year-old-charged-in-renton-crash-that-killed-3-children-1-mother/
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I'll admit that if society institutes a law that says "You're not allowed to do that" yet freely provides equipment designed to do just that, there are bound to be law breakers.
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So let's discuss other strategies. For example, why not take away or restrict the equipment?
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Nobody needs to legally drive 112 mph, so why allow the sale of cars capable of driving 112 mph? Car top speeds can be regulated. In fact, current new cars usually "know" the speed limit wherever they are, and in principle could be limited to the legal speed at any location.
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If you don't want people to drive at high speeds in cities and suburbs, why design freeway-like "stroads" that encourage high speeds, via wide lanes, open vistas, large radius curves, etc?
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Why not instead employ traffic calming mechanisms, of which there are many? They range from narrower lane width, landscaping, traffic lights synchronized for the benefit of lower speeds, sharp-cornered intersections, horizontal diversions like chicanes, and even vertical diversions like speed humps that are fine at 20 mph but uncomfortable at 30 mph.
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If that guy had hit a speed hump a few miles earlier, he'd have gone airborne and the fun would have been over. It's much more effective than relying on a "good guy with a squad car."
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So you're recommending collective punishment of the populace for crimes not yet committed? Really?
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"I can't drive as fast as I imagine in my fantasies! I'm being punished!" makes no sense to me.
It seems no different than "I can't wander into a bike shop and take anything I want! I'm being punished!"
Speeders seem to have unrealistic estimates of the amount of time they're saving, and unrealistic estimates of the importance of their time.
"Outa my way! I gotta get home FAST! 'Oprah' reruns start at five!"
-- - Frank Krygowski