Re: uk 500 watt bikes proposed

On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 21:33:59 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

Wolfgang Strobl <news5@mystrobl.de> wrote:

Am Tue, 16 Apr 2024 19:34:15 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman
<roger@sarlet.com>:
 

Wolfgang Strobl <news5@mystrobl.de> wrote:

 
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Problem is, low powered electrical mopeds with pedal assist could have
been a good idea, when regulated somewhat similar other motorized
vehicles*).  But the general public has been made believe that so called
bicycles having more motor power and endurance than your average Tour de
France idol still _are_ bicycles. They aren't. Everybody who acutally
uses a real bicycle knows that training for just ten or twenty percent
more muscle power endurance is really HARD.

 

Maybe the higher speed limited bikes that mainland Europe and USA have but
uk bikes top out with assistance at 15mph,

 
I was contrasting "Pedelec", E-Bikes having a rated continuous power
("Nenndauerleistung", in German) of 250 Watt, limited to 25 km/h (that's
15.5 mph) to a radically different design, both technically and
regulatory different, that could have been and would have been better,
for various reasons.
 
 

I’ve ridden e bikes and with
others on e bikes, motorcycles they are not,

 
They sure are

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E MTB are 20/25kg all in, which is a noticeable heft over a trail MTB
14/16KG and yes you do notice the weight with both the benefits ie
suspension works better ie more of the mass is sprung than unsprung for
example, but also its downsides ie less manoeuvrable needs to be muscled
though things, hence some E lite MTB are available with weights between the
two.
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Electric motorbikes for off road use are another 100KG on top of that, it’s
a very different experience.
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Let alone that E bikes power output is still within realms of human
capacity, ie peak output is sub 1000watts ie 600 ish which is absolutely
reachable, even by club cyclists some Pros such as Chris Hoy where in the
2,500 watt range which really is unreachable for most.
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E bike be they E MTB’s such as my mates or the hire bikes are very much
within the human scale, point in case as someone who is more Chris Hoy than
Chris Froome I pull away faster from the lights than the e bikes do, and
certainly in uk they will hit the limiter and are almost certainly less fit
than I so on wider more open roads such as the Embankment they are very
easy to pass.
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Motorbikes unless they are too wide to filter properly are just gone, even
low powered off road Motorcycles (electric) produce 33000 watts it’s
another level all together.

 

on faster roads or even mild
gravel stuff I’m above the limiter my mates have told me off before now for
holding just above the limiter!

 
So what. A car limited to 25 km/h / 14 mph still is a car. Going
downhill on a good road with my race bike I can outrun most people
riding mopeds limited to 25, 40 or 45 km/h, like these
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moped>. Your statement neither explains
nor proves anything.
 
A bicycle is a human-powered vehicle. Adding ten or twenty percent of
motor power via "motor-assist" to your own power for an indefinite long
time period would already be stretching the meaning of "human-powered"
far too much.  Ask your fellow riders in a real competition.  Or just
try to get that much stronger by exercising.
 
Doubling your own power, adding 100 % and calling that "pedal assist" is
a bad joke.  But as I said, most new motors from  Bosch (and others, I
presume) "assist" with up to 340 %.  That isn't a  joke, anymore.
 
 

Have you either ridden E bikes or with friends who have them? Personally
it’s like riding with very fit club mates which I also have.
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Roger Merriman

I don't ride with anyone, let alone with someone on a motorbike.