Re: uk 500 watt bikes proposed

On Fri Apr 26 11:19:50 2024 Wolfgang Strobl  wrote:

Am Wed, 24 Apr 2024 22:18:17 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman
<roger@sarlet.com>:
 

Wolfgang Strobl <news5@mystrobl.de> wrote:

Am Wed, 24 Apr 2024 13:59:55 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman
<roger@sarlet.com>:
 

Wolfgang Strobl <news5@mystrobl.de> wrote:

Am Mon, 22 Apr 2024 17:43:07 -0400 schrieb Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org>:
 

On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 21:29:50 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

 

Arriving at the lights with an annoyingly ridden E hire bike and a
motorbike. The Motorbike from experience would easily out accelerate me,
the E bike while faster than say a roadie is comfortably within my ability
to out accelerate and also out pace. They where one of many E bikes that I
passed, I passed no motorcycles they all passed me.
 
Roger Merriman

 
There's a bigger difference between a Honda 125cc and a Harley
Davidson than between an ebike and the Honda 125cc

 
That's an interesting statement.  I happen to still own a 125ccm Honda
(<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Wave_series>, called ANF 125
Innova in Germany) and happen to agree.  But why do I agree? What do you
people think?
 
 

Can you lift it one handed?

 

You?re being frankly ridiculous.

 
That's indeed what I thought when reading your question above.
 

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Fine you don?t like e bikes,

 
You're mistaken, again.  I have a well-founded opinion about ebikes that
has nothing to do with ?liking? or "not liking" the concept. What I do
not like is the current series of implementations, a law and regulations
in Germany and most European countries that wrongly equates some
overpowered, but crippled electrically motorized bikes with human
powered bicycles, with those ebikes now having a motor drives and
batteries that easily triple the power and endurance of your average non
competetive cyclist, while slowing them down, both short term and in the
long run.
 
Short term, because 25 km/h is a lot less than what a healthy cyclist on
a decent bike can do on flat ground (most trips are short and on flat
ground), long term by essentially eliminating most of the the
unavoidable training effects of human powered cycling. 
 
In addition, I do not like the fact that this law essentially has closed
the window for better ebikes, ebikes that could have significantly
extended speed and range even for strong cyclists for both short and
long trips, instead of crippling most of their users by motivating them
not to use and so enhance their own power for getting around. This means
acting according to the "lose it" part of the motto "use it or lose it".
 

and yes some in America and Germany are
bordering on being mopeds, that that wasn?t the subject at hand, hence I?ve
returned it to remind you.

 
So scroll back to your initial posting and my initial comment. Subject
was an article reporting a uk proposal to double the average ebike power
from 250 to 500 W and to completely remove that "pedal assist" bicycle
simulation, at the same time, and so making these into an enhanced
version of the former mopeds. The linked article reported about fears,
that this might trigger later attempts to actually regulate these
vehicles like mopeds.
 
In my opinion, the current generation of 250 Watt ebikes already got
similar to mopeds over time and aren't what people like to believe,
anymore.  When 250 Watt ebikes came into existence in Germany, without
regulation at first, the narrative was something like "up to 250 W
additional motor power, but only up to what the pedaling human delivers,
progressively reduced from 100% to 0 %, when aproaching 25 km/h".  With
other words, what sensible persons already identified as a vehicle more
resembling a better Velo Solex than a human powered bicyle - but a lot
less powerfull as what currently is sold as a 25 km/h ebike. 
 
Chatter about doubling the rated continuous power to 500W and about
fears that _this_ could lead to regulating all ebikes as mopeds is
merely a distraction from recognicing the fact that even the first 250W
ebikes should never have been classified as bicycles.
 
But maybe it's just a screwed form to confirm exactly that.
 
 
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You and I are of a like mind considering ebikes but that will not change the laziness of humans that wish to travel at the speed of athletes without the work of training.