Re: RE: Re: Google Groups

On Wed Jul 10 13:30:59 2024 Zen Cycle  wrote:

On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 15:19:46 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
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Here in California AT&T doesn't allow Eternal September.

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There is a grain of truth here, but tommy - as usual - doesn't get it.
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  From https://www.eternal-september.org/
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"As AT&T's fancy blacklist rejects mails from Eternal-September.org
(again), the following mail domains can not be used for registration as
we will not be able to send you your access data:
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att.net
ameritech.net
bellsouth.net
pacbell.net
prodigy.net
sbcglobal.net
snet.net
"
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It's AT&T email servers that blacklist ES, not AT&T in general.
Tommy is using Yahoo as his email client. Yahoo is majority owned by
Apollo Global Management with a minority stake held by Verizon. IOW -
AT&Ts blacklist has no effect on a Yahoo address event if AT&T is his ISP.
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Tommy would be able to register with ES.org using his Yahoo address, the
problem is he can't figure out how to do it.
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This forces you to use commercial services.

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Other usenet services are private for-profit. They are all "commercial".
ES is a private non-profit _commercial_ service as defined by the SCOTUS
in a case called Tony and Susan Alamo Foundation v. Secretary of Labor
(1985) 471 U.S. 290, where a commercial service is determined by a test
of three questions:
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1. Do the activities of the nonprofit serve the general public?
2. Does the nonprofit competes with other commercial enterprises?
3. Does the nonprofit derives an unfair advantage over others because it
does not have to comply with Wage & Hour Laws?
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from
https://www.camft.org/Resources/Legal-Articles/Chronological-Article-List/are-nonprofits-commercial-enterprises
(written by the legal staff at California Association of Marriage and
Family Therapists)
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"in general, if a non-profit draws consumers from wide swaths of
society, and such consumers pay for services, especially when some
practitioners at the nonprofit charge full fees for some of the work
they do, it would likely be difficult for the nonprofit to deny that it
was a ?commercial enterprise.? On some level, it was competing with
other ?commercial enterprises,? meaning private practices, professional
corporations, or even possibly other nonprofits in the area. "
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Very clearly, ES.org qualifies as a commercial service
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    Well, since you're and expert on this subject - why don't you suggest a newsreader compatible with Eternal September since I registered with them before the AT&T ban?