Re: Garmin altitude problems

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Sujet : Re: Garmin altitude problems
De : jeffl (at) *nospam* cruzio.com (Jeff Liebermann)
Groupes : rec.bicycles.tech
Date : 12. Aug 2024, 19:32:57
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On Sat, 10 Aug 2024 09:21:49 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

The short version is that GPS works by measuring the
Doppler shifts produced by multiple satellites across the sky.  The
motion of the satellite has to be mostly toward or away from the GPS
receiver.  For altitude, that happens best when the satellites are
near the horizon.  A satellite directly overhead does not move toward
or away from the GPS receiver and is therefore useless for computing
altitude.  Since the horizon tends to be cluttered with mountains,
trees, buildings, reflections etc, the signals from the best
positioned satellites can't be used.  Just to make things difficult,
the better GPS antennas are designed to suppress ground reflections
which makes using low elevation satellites even more difficult to use.

Argh!  Much of what I wrote above is wrong.  I hate it when that
happens.

GPS position and altitude are not derived from satellite Doppler
shifts.  GPS uses TDOA (time difference of arrival) before the clock
in the GPS receiver is synchronized to the satellite clock, and then
switches to TOF (time of flight) after synchronization.  The TOF
delays from 3 satellites are used to calculate a 2D solution (no
altitude) or 4 satellites for a 3D (including altitude) solution using
multilateration.  No Doppler shift is involved in the calculation.

However, Doppler shift is used for calculating speed:
<https://www.e-education.psu.edu/geog862/node/1786>
<https://www.vboxautomotive.co.uk/index.php/en/how-does-it-work-gps-accuracy>

More later, hopefully with fewer mistakes.

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7 Aug 24 * Re: Garmin altitude problems40Jeff Liebermann
8 Aug 24 +* Re: Garmin altitude problems2Jeff Liebermann
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9 Aug 24  `* Re: Garmin altitude problems36John B.
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10 Aug 24   ii `* Re: Garmin altitude problems23Catrike Ryder
10 Aug 24   ii  +* Re: Garmin altitude problems7Catrike Ryder
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11 Aug 24   ii  ii  `- Re: Garmin altitude problems1Catrike Ryder
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10 Aug 24   ii  +* Re: Garmin altitude problems6AMuzi
10 Aug 24   ii  i`* Re: Garmin altitude problems5Catrike Ryder
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10 Aug 24   ii  i  `* Re: Garmin altitude problems3Catrike Ryder
10 Aug 24   ii  i   `* Re: Garmin altitude problems2AMuzi
10 Aug 24   ii  i    `- Re: Garmin altitude problems1Catrike Ryder
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10 Aug 24   ii   +* Re: Garmin altitude problems7Frank Krygowski
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11 Aug 24   ii   i +* Re: Garmin altitude problems3Catrike Ryder
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12 Aug 24   ii   i `- Re: Garmin altitude problems1Jeff Liebermann
12 Aug 24   ii   `- Re: Garmin altitude problems1Jeff Liebermann
10 Aug 24   i+* Re: Garmin altitude problems3Frank Krygowski
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11 Aug 24   ii `- Re: Garmin altitude problems1Frank Krygowski
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