Re: RE: Re: Artificiqal Intelligence

On 8/29/2024 4:57 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Thu Aug 29 12:47:22 2024 Roger Merriman  wrote:

John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 17:00:07 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
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John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 13:01:37 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
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On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 19:14:30 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
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On Mon Aug 26 14:58:56 2024 Frank Krygowski  wrote:

On 8/26/2024 11:11 AM, cyclintom wrote:

On Thu Aug 22 20:48:25 2024 Frank Krygowski  wrote:

On 8/22/2024 4:53 PM, cyclintom wrote:

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Just more of Liebermann's dreams. You normally use your index
finger which pretty much covers the patch, but the slightest
mistplacement or turn of your finger isn't regognized and you can't
"loosen" up the recognitian because that would make it easy to hack.
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People do not understand how it works.

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I haven't looked into exactly how it works. But my experience with it
(nearly five years now with this phone) is that it does work, it's
_extremely_ reliable, and Tom's "slightest misplacement" claim is his
usual ignorant bullshit.
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Sorry to be that harsh, but it's true.
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-- - Frank Krygowski

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What phone and model do you have?

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Motorola G7 Power, five years old
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-- - Frank Krygowski

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I sssume that you have a fingerprint spot on it?

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Assumption, the mother of all screwups.  What's a fingerprint "spot"?
The Motorola "M" in the photo on the back of the phone is the
fingerprint sensor:
<https://i.pcmag.com/imagery/reviews/00Lrv3J0jkpGC8gAEeX1hkm-7.v_1569469974.jpg>
It's the same as my Moto G Power 2020.
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Since I knoiw how the soifteare works, I cannot imagine how it would not make mistakes.

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08/03/2022
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/cJi96AJ2A3k/m/JEyDC0TDBgAJ>
"I'll bet that there wasn't anything I didn't do wrong"
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Mine doesn't read my fingerprint over half of the time. You're telling
us that yours works 100% of the time?

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I'll let Frank speak for himself.  On my current phone, the
fingerprint reader fails about 10% of the time, usually because my
hands were dirty, wet or swollen (from splitting firewood with a
splitting axe).  I can usually get it to read by wiping or switching
hands.
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I don't own any phones that have a fingerprint reader behind the
screen (like your Samsung A51).  I can't pass judgment on the
reliability of such readers.
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There was a recent article in Wired Magazine on the topic.  It's
behind a paywall that lets you read a few articles.  Delete the
cookies that belong to Wired if it demands money to read the article:
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"Struggling to Unlock Your Phone? You Might Have Lost Your
Fingerprints"
<https://www.wired.com/story/why-you-might-be-losing-your-fingerprints/>
"The absence of these identifying marks, which can be the result of
excessive typing, manual work, chemotherapy, or sports, is becoming
more of an issue in the age of biometrics."

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The thing I don't understand is, why use an "anything" reader on a
hand phone? I've been using hand phones since they were small enough
to be carried in one hand and I've never used a
thumb/hand/nose/anything/ reader and even more telling I've never seen
anyone else use one... in at least 4 different countries.

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Mobile phones this century are generally computers and as such have data
and so on.
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Roger Merriman

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Yup :-) I've got one for making calls and a second for reading books
:-)

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Dumb phones are making a minor comeback Nokia is producing the 3210 of my
youth! Though to be honest I do like smart phones and their convenience
such as knowing bus and train times and delays and so on.
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Roger Merriman
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    I see som4e real advantages with smart phones but what they are doing to society may be far worse than the convenience. While at the coffee shop TWO people had earplugs and were talking out loud for over 1/2 hour. Now WHO DOES THAT? Smart phones aren't for social interaction. They are for messaging or phoning someone no talking aobut nothing at all for over 1/2 hour while the guy at the next table is doing the same thing!

I happen to agree on that point.
If you do feel that way why not toss the damned thing?
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971