Re: Higher Education Is Overrated

On Sat, 31 Aug 2024 22:37:29 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
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On Sat Aug 31 16:11:13 2024 AMuzi  wrote:

On 8/31/2024 3:55 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Wed Aug 28 11:25:54 2024 AMuzi  wrote:

On 8/28/2024 11:20 AM, cyclintom wrote:

On Mon Aug 26 12:50:20 2024 Jeff Liebermann  wrote:

On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 17:14:35 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
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The strongest long bow I ever saw had a draw of 80 lbs and I can't imagine 100 lb pull. You have to hold the string hooked over your middle three fingers and how the hell do you hold 100 lbs that way? Not to mention what it would do to your other wrist. Bows might have been long distance weapons but most people used spears.

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<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_longbow#Training>
"Although the draw weight of a typical English longbow is disputed, it
was at least 81 pounds-force (360 newtons) and possibly more than 130
lbf (600 N). Considerable practice was required to produce the swift
and effective combat shooting required. Skeletons of longbow archers
are recognisably affected, with enlarged left arms and often
osteophytes on left wrists, left shoulders and right fingers."
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Meaning, as usual, I was correct and you rooted arouund for any POSSIBLE esception. Well, there's no question that people were MUCH smaller in those days and pulling 130 lbs would have been impossible. I shot long bows and you have done nothing, as usual. You have no idea of what it is like to shoot a long bow.

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The contemporary records were falsified?

 

 
 
What contemporary records?

 
These for example:
 
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/agincourt/
 
You could even go to see the originals, maybe work in some
cycling with Mr Merriman while you're there.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
 

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I don't think you have any historical references to the power to draw a long bow. It is very doifficult to draw an 80 lb long bow. That is why they developed the crossbow. 80 lb long bows are the ones causing skeletal damage to the much smaller people of that time. Talking about 130 lbs of pull simply raises the question of how they measured a lb in the 1500's

Originally the pound sterling was equivalent to the value a Tower
pound of silver(worth about £79 or about $158 US[2] today). In 1528,
the standard was changed to the Troy pound (worth about £84 or $168
today).

So by the mid 1500's the Troy pound was in common use.

 Well, you have the 172 longbows recovered from the Mary Rose.
https://www.archers-review.com/magazine-articles/june-2010-longbows-of-the-mary-rose
is an article regarding these bows written by an experienced archer,
http://theinfinitecurve.com/archery/longbows-of-the-mary-rose/
"The warbows found on board were extremely heavy – up to 185lb in draw
weight. Famously, the scientists managed to identify several likely
archers among the hundred plus skeletons found on the wreck, based on
their shoulder blades"

Another point you might consider is that the arrows found on the Mary
Rose were 30 inches long so logically the archers were pulling further
then the average modern shooter.

Remember, these were professional archers who started practicing with
a bow at about 7 years of age.
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Cheers,

John B.