Sujet : Re: Higher Education Is Overrated
De : am (at) *nospam* yellowjersey.org (AMuzi)
Groupes : rec.bicycles.techDate : 02. Sep 2024, 15:24:09
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On 9/2/2024 5:37 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 01.09.2024 um 16:51 schrieb AMuzi:
On 8/31/2024 5:37 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Aug 31 16:11:13 2024 AMuzi wrote:
On 8/31/2024 3:55 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Wed Aug 28 11:25:54 2024 AMuzi wrote:
On 8/28/2024 11:20 AM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Aug 26 12:50:20 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 17:14:35 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
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The strongest long bow I ever saw had a draw of 80 lbs and I can't imagine 100 lb pull. You have to hold the string hooked over your middle three fingers and how the hell do you hold 100 lbs that way? Not to mention what it would do to your other wrist. Bows might have been long distance weapons but most people used spears.
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<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_longbow#Training>
"Although the draw weight of a typical English longbow is disputed, it
was at least 81 pounds-force (360 newtons) and possibly more than 130
lbf (600 N). Considerable practice was required to produce the swift
and effective combat shooting required. Skeletons of longbow archers
are recognisably affected, with enlarged left arms and often
osteophytes on left wrists, left shoulders and right fingers."
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Meaning, as usual, I was correct and you rooted arouund for any POSSIBLE esception. Well, there's no question that people were MUCH smaller in those days and pulling 130 lbs would have been impossible. I shot long bows and you have done nothing, as usual. You have no idea of what it is like to shoot a long bow.
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The contemporary records were falsified?
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What contemporary records?
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These for example:
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https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/agincourt/
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You could even go to see the originals, maybe work in some
cycling with Mr Merriman while you're there.
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I don't think you have any historical references to the power to draw a long bow. It is very doifficult to draw an 80 lb long bow. That is why they developed the crossbow. 80 lb long bows are the ones causing skeletal damage to the much smaller people of that time. Talking about 130 lbs of pull simply raises the question of how they measured a lb in the 1500's
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And yet well trained yeomen with longbows performed well at the time, with greater range and faster rate of fire than crossbows.
My understanding was that crossbows had higher range but longbows had faster rate of fire; the mixed battle results depended on how sucessfully crossbow-men stayed out of range of the longbows.
My understanding is different:
https://www.heritageoutdoorsllc.com/longbow-vs-crossbow/Period reports agree with the longer effective range of longbows at the time.
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