Re: gun carrry on bikes

On 9/15/2024 2:25 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 9/15/2024 12:39 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 9/14/2024 3:46 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 9/14/2024 10:17 AM, AMuzi wrote:

On 9/14/2024 3:53 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 19:48:55 GMT, Roger Merriman
<roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
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Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 18:23:57 GMT, Roger Merriman
<roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
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AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 9/13/2024 12:37 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 9/13/2024 8:15 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 9/12/2024 8:57 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 9/12/2024 8:50 PM, AMuzi wrote:

On 9/12/2024 6:45 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 9/12/2024 5:40 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 16:13:42 -0400, Frank
Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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Understood. Your near-default point is
"Everyone's
decision is correct."
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My frequent point is "You don't need to go
to extremes
to be safe,
especially on a bike."

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My frequent point is that safe is a
subjective evaluation.
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I feel safe on a bicycle sidepath, you don't.

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You feel safe on a bicycle sidepath only if
you've got a
handgun ready to draw and fire within a
second or two.
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Correct. Suits his situation, in his personal
evaluation.
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As always, when seconds matter, 911 is just
twenty minutes
away.

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"His situation" is shared by many other path
users. I'm
betting he's the only one so afraid as to never
ride without
his gun.
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Maybe not for those previously mugged.
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There seems to be lack of equipment to carry a
gun on a bike, and indeed
it?s not mentioned by American YouTubers and so on.
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It appears not to be sold which suggests doesn?t
really have a market, and
you can buy all sorts of cycling accessories for
you phone and so on.
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Let alone that from how he described it, it?s a
nice pleasurable place to
ride. Doesn?t sound risky or deprived which often
are linked for well
reasons.
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That he wants to and so on, well that?s his
choice and so on but doesn?t
sound like he rides in a risky area.
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Easily fabricated as Mr Tricycle has or just one
click on
Amazon:
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https://www.amazon.com/bikase-gunkase-motorcycle-
subcompact- handguns/dp/b0839m7t3y

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I'll bet you £1 that your local London area shop
doesn't
stock them. Different market entirely.
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I admire his initiative and effort to do so but
that?s kinda of the point,
I suspect that your bike shop and one?s local to
Him would also not stock
them or similar.
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As it?s just not a thing for most cyclists after
all if it was be more than
random Amazon bits.
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We stock it and sell them occasionally. Less than inner
tubes, but some.
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That I?m mildly surprised by, though I?m still
unconvinced it?s common or
more bike related company?s would make such stuff.
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Roger Merriman

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The Catrike is a unique situation. There's no way to
put on a
handlebar bag or a top bar bag, or the little holster
shown above.
I've been working with PVC pipe a lot:

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Even so it’s clearly not a common thing or item,I’d
suspect that a hand gun
with its shape weight would need to be be somewhat
ungainly weight in a bar
or top bag, I’d assume be fine with MTB backpacks/
hydration packs as they
tend to have lots of pockets and be made with more
durable/stuff material.

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My Bersa thunder weighs 20 oz empty. Height 4.9" length
1.3 "
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Nine .380 rds weighs another 3 or 4 oz. The whole
package is about the
same weight as a 24 oz bottle of water and much smaller.
https://bersausa.com/product/thunder-380/

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Less it’s absolute weight more that it’s going focus it’s
weight due its
shape and size, and certainly with bar bags (along the
handlebars) unless
it’s a fairly packed bag it’s going to get tossed about,
and so on.
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Likewise jersey pockets and so on likely to sub par so
for folks who do
unless it’s a fairly relaxed man on a bike types would
need to find some
solutions.

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53992548551/
in/datetaken/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53992540086/
in/datetaken/
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and it looked easier than it was. It involved heating
and bending the
Pvc Pipe and quickly cooling it to lock the shape.
Then cutting and
grinding make it so the Kydex holster fit and locked
into it.
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53145141933/
in/datetaken/
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The Kydex holster is important because it protects the
trigger. I can
use that same Kydex holster with out any changes to
clip onto my belt
for inside the waistband carry.
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I do admire the effort even if I don’t see the
usefulness of it as you
were.

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The Ancients seemed to manage quite well:
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https://onlinebicyclemuseum.co.uk/1890s-velodog-pistol-
french-cyclists- dog-scarer/
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These and similar were wildly popular.

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To summarize? There are some niche products to allow
cyclists (and motorcyclists, and hikers, etc.) to carry
handguns. They are certainly not common.
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There was a time when riders were sold handguns to scare
away dogs. But "wildly popular?" I'd like to see data.
Riding in present day France, and reading extensively about
French cycling, I've never come across evidence that those
or any other guns are ever carried while riding.
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Come to think of it, we still haven't found anyone here
saying they commonly carry a gun while riding. Well, except
one person, a man who said riding on a normal road cannot be
safe, who is also afraid to walk his residential
neighborhood without a gun, and who is afraid to respond to
others who greet him on his segregated bike trail.
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Such fear!
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Here's a good short overview covering your questions:
https://gundigest.com/more/classic-guns/bicycle-gun-the-doggone-history-of-these-pocket-pistols
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Note the first wave of these (1880s~1920s) was very popular
with many vendors and millions sold. A 1997 modern copy
failed to sell well. The author notes leash laws were  a
contributing factor to diminish canine threats.
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My point was merely that when riders commonly felt a need to
carry pistols, they did in fact mange to carry them. With
neither nylon nor Velcro I might add!
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In the Uk the age of the Highway men was over before the bike was invented,
last 1830 but rare for few decades before that,
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Which also correlates when police services were set up each areas from the
1830’s onwards but before that both Highway men and some travellers being
armed the flintlocks pistols being a boon for this trade.
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Ie guns helped rather than hindered the highway men even if both parties
where armed, it was policing of the highways which started to be effective
even before police as service ie latter part of the 18th century.
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I commute though Hounslow Heath which historically was much larger and had
some of the main routes into london, the roads around Heathrow follow the
same lines just have been made larger ie had a lane or two added and rather
better surfaces!
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Roger Merriman
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Yes that's right and good for Britain. In the process of
trying (ultimately failing) to bring civilization to the
entire earth, the Royal Navy broke the African slave trade
while in India the administration eliminated the Thugees.
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Bringing Civilisation was rather retcon as you were! Was all about being
filthy dirty rich!
 Royal Navy and slave trade trade seems to be rather more complicated, done
under the authority of British captains and against the political classes
wishes and caused multiple diplomatic incidents! But the Political class
seem to have been out of step with the mood of the population.
 Roger Merriman
 

The Empire proved that trade was more valuable than plunder.
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