Re: Extensive article on Rivendell and Grant Petersen

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Sujet : Re: Extensive article on Rivendell and Grant Petersen
De : am (at) *nospam* yellowjersey.org (AMuzi)
Groupes : rec.bicycles.tech
Date : 24. Sep 2024, 20:07:39
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On 9/24/2024 12:45 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 10:38:11 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:
 
On 9/24/2024 9:01 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>
<snip>
we get it frank, you don't like disc brakes, you think they're overly
complex for their purpose, and don't provide enough of an advantage over
rim brakes.
>
That's fine for you, all reasonably valid rationalizations.
>
Some people prefer discs for equally valid rationalizations: They
provide better braking power with equal if not better modulation, they
work better in the rain, snow/ice, and muck (none of which are exclusive
to off-road riding). That said, No one is going to agree with your
implication that they provide no benefit to anyone except those pushing
performance to the extremes. Disc brakes simply work better - that you
may not experience that in your riding style is specific to you.
>
Anyone who is not using disc brakes, and is still using caliper brakes
or V brakes or center-pull brakes or U brakes or drum brakes, is
standing in the way of human progress.
 Good grief. What one person does or doesn't do isn't standing in the
way of anything unless he's standing where other people want to be.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Just read the New Yorker piece on Grant Peterson which a friend mailed to me.  Your comment reminded me of Mr Peterson, ascribing Deeper Meaning to mere bicycle parts,
 From my 1965 Weinmann sidepulls, through Mafac Racers, then Mafac Competitions, on to Universal Super 68 which I tossed aside for the latest deep blue anodized Modolo Pros, which I then sold to acquire the modern aero DiaCompe AGCs before I returned to classic aesthetics with NOS early 1970s Campagnolo Record, they all worked just fine. I have never suffered a lack of braking power. Leg power, yes, just not braking power.
And now in my dotage I'm back to a Swiss Weinmann front sidepull caliper on my fixie. La plus ca change and all that. There is no deeper meaning.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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21 Sep 24 * Extensive article on Rivendell and Grant Petersen223Frank Krygowski
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22 Sep22:20  `* Re: Extensive article on Rivendell and Grant Petersen221Mark J cleary
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23 Sep20:31   ii+* Re: Extensive article on Rivendell and Grant Petersen143Catrike Ryder
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24 Sep21:17   iiii  i     `* Re: Extensive article on Rivendell and Grant Petersen76Catrike Ryder
24 Sep21:27   iiii  i      +- Re: Extensive article on Rivendell and Grant Petersen1Zen Cycle
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