Re: Extensive article on Rivendell and Grant Petersen

On 9/24/2024 5:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:

On 9/24/2024 5:20 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 9/24/2024 5:03 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 18:46:57 +0000, Roger Merriman wrote:
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Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

On 9/24/2024 1:08 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

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They absolutely could have just added wider clearance if companies
wanted to...

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That's my point. So saying "Discs allowed wider tires" seems inaccurate
at best.
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Not really clearly they could of made wide tired rim brake bikes though
they would of had to chnage equipment ie callipers that could handle
extra width which would be a performance decline, and realistically
would become more so as tires got wider.
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But this wasn’t what consumer wanted ie they wanted disks in many ways
needed encouragement to try wider tires.

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Good V-brakes REALLY outperform disks under all conditions that I've used
them in including heavy rain. Disks are there for one reason. To make you
buy a new frame and fork and special wheels.

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I agree with Tom on this point.

 Nope. Tom is completely wrong. V-brakes do not outperform disks, under any conditions.
 Again, you may not have discerned the difference in your riding style, but I can guarantee to that as a someone who has had V-brakes  and disc brakes on the same bike, discs are better all around. Casual riding generally won't reveal the advantages.
 The issues are two-fold
- Tom has never ridden a bike with disc brakes
- toms cycling skills are highly questionable given his documented claims of such things as needing to stop pedaling to shift, needing to look down to shift with downtube shifters, and his claim that every cyclist sprints from a stop at maximum effort.
  I don't see the disc takeover of road

bikes as being consumer driven. ISTM instead that within the space of a few years, if you wanted to buy a bike, you pretty much had to buy a bike with disc brakes.

 You are correct about this.

That's the point about which I was agreeing with Tom.
About disc brakes giving "better braking," I think that's true. But for anything close to typical road riding, the improvements are marginal and unimportant. Or IOW "Casual riding generally won't reveal the advantages."
We're getting perilously close to total agreement now!
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- Frank Krygowski