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Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:On 9/24/2024 5:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:Your argument that road bikes could of had rim brakes with wider clearanceOn 9/24/2024 5:20 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:On 9/24/2024 5:03 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 18:46:57 +0000, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:On 9/24/2024 1:08 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:Not really clearly they could of made wide tired rim brake bikes though
They absolutely could have just added wider clearance if companies
wanted to...
That's my point. So saying "Discs allowed wider tires" seems
inaccurate
at best.
they would of had to chnage equipment ie callipers that could handle
extra width which would be a performance decline, and realistically
would become more so as tires got wider.
But this wasnt what consumer wanted ie they wanted disks in many ways
needed encouragement to try wider tires.
Good V-brakes REALLY outperform disks under all conditions that I've
used
them in including heavy rain. Disks are there for one reason. To make
you
buy a new frame and fork and special wheels.
I agree with Tom on this point.
Nope. Tom is completely wrong. V-brakes do not outperform disks, under
any conditions.
Again, you may not have discerned the difference in your riding style,
but I can guarantee to that as a someone who has had V-brakes and disc
brakes on the same bike, discs are better all around. Casual riding
generally won't reveal the advantages.
The issues are two-fold
- Tom has never ridden a bike with disc brakes
- toms cycling skills are highly questionable given his documented
claims of such things as needing to stop pedaling to shift, needing to
look down to shift with downtube shifters, and his claim that every
cyclist sprints from a stop at maximum effort.
I don't see the disc takeover of roadbikes as being consumer driven. ISTM instead that within the space of
a few years, if you wanted to buy a bike, you pretty much had to buy a
bike with disc brakes.
You are correct about this.
That's the point about which I was agreeing with Tom.
About disc brakes giving "better braking," I think that's true. But for
anything close to typical road riding, the improvements are marginal and
unimportant. Or IOW "Casual riding generally won't reveal the advantages."
We're getting perilously close to total agreement now!
no one is disputing that, they can handle 32mm maybe more not sure what the
limit is for long reach seems to be mostly where my bike is ie 32mm
maximum, and likewise folks commenting on the slight reduction in power as
they are long reach.
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But short reach stuff will get to 28mm which is probably enough for most
roadies?
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But realistically since the market clearly wanted disks, and the advantages
of keeping them are really marginal, and its just a non issue.
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Roger Merriman
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