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Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:I noticed that about UK. If this is a bicycle:On 9/27/2024 9:20 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:That is absolutely regulation I’d personally only consider American type 1On 9/27/2024 8:56 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:>Am Thu, 26 Sep 2024 14:32:51 -0400 schrieb Zen Cycle>
<funkmaster@hotmail.com>:
>I also disagree that e-bike users as a rule have given up on cycling.>
First of all, that's not a rule, it is a fact. Somebody riding a
motorized bike isn't using an bicycle.
If and only if it's an objective fact that an ebike is not a bicycle.
Considering the fact that the fast majority of people who ride non-
motorized bicycles as well as the industry disagree with you, the
statement "Somebody riding a motorized bike isn't using an bicycle" is
not an objective fact, it's a subjective judgement.
Hmm. In an attempt to back away for a broader view:
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I can conceive of a bike with a motor so weak and limited that nobody
would object to calling it a bicycle. Maybe a motor with just 15 Watts,
driven by a battery with one mile range?
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From there, I can conceive of a continuous spectrum, up to that Hi
Power Cycles Revolution X9, 104 km/h speed, 160 km range.
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At some point in that spectrum, a rational person would say "That's not
a bicycle, it's a motorcycle." Even though, like the Revolution X9, it
has pedals.
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The question is, where is that "not really a bicycle" threshold. I tend
to say America's Class I ebikes are above that threshold. I understand
that they're valuable to many people, but my gut says "You're not really
bicycling."
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Also, U.S. laws (after heavy industry lobbying) allow 750 Watts and
power assist up to 19 mph, which is way too much in my view. British
laws allow 250 Watts and assist up to 15.5 mph (25 kph). I'd have
stopped the power assist at 12 mph, a level where novices have a much
better chance of staying out of trouble or causing trouble for others.
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YMMV, of course.
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as bikes, beyond that starting to become more moped like, see also
apparently German cycle lane legislation ie that one has to use one.
That really isn’t technology or even infrastructure but pure politics, last
government probably under pressure from folks who wanted more of the small
e vans that are classed as Bikes to increase power etc, has as expected
died was unlikely to go anywhere really.
Roger Merriman
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