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On 11/5/2024 10:53 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:So why then don't we just have the president selected by the congress? Fuck what the people actually want.On 11/5/2024 10:25 AM, AMuzi wrote:For the same reason that pattern and practice of elections is the sole plenary duty of the legislature, not referenda, not by one official elected or appointed.On 11/5/2024 8:47 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:>On 11/5/2024 9:32 AM, AMuzi wrote:>On 11/4/2024 9:05 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:>On 11/4/2024 7:07 PM, Shadow wrote:>>>
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"But it's in the Constitution" - just saying that lowers the
score. The World has changed a LOT in over 100 years, and laws need to
change to accompany that.
I occasionally encounter people who treat the U.S. Constitution as perfection itself, and as a holy document That Must Never Be Criticized.
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But despite its revisions (AKA amendments) I think it's got serious flaws. As evidence, there are now hundreds of nations with constitutions. Not one has duplicated the U.S. Constitution. All have at least attempted to improve on it.
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With mixed success. I give you the overwhelmingly adopted 18th Amendment, the only one more destructive than the 17th.
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Change for its own sake is not always positive.
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An amendment defining the structure of the senate is the 2nd most destructive?
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It removed the State legislatures from the process. That's a big change, as reflected by candidates' positions and campaign strategies and of course who is elected.
Wait, so you're saying the state legislatures should have the exclusive authority to appoint senators, regardless of the will of the people?
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I'm having difficulty seeing how the people electing senators is "destructive".
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The Framers preferred a deliberative process for many decisions (by no means all) and we differ, as much now as then, about where those lines should be drawn.
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