Re: Facebook Account

On 11/6/2024 6:09 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:

On 11/5/2024 8:31 PM, AMuzi wrote:

On 11/5/2024 6:33 PM, Shadow wrote:

On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 20:17:32 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
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On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 20:15:44 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
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Our biggest threat to democracy  is the media/social media's
#FAKE_NEWS. That with a very poor public education. The people will
believe anything...

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Maybe this will explain how it works.  I don't recall who told me this
story.  Most likely my parents, aunts or uncles.
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My ancestors were mostly from Poland and Russia.  Up to the early 19th
century, they didn't travel more than about 80km (50 miles) from home
for their entire lives.  As is common in rural environments, strange
people and strange ideas are treated with suspicion.  That created a
problem when they didn't know whom or what to believe.  Communications
and transportation was sufficiently lacking that "seeing is believing"
was ineffective.  Nobody believed what someone else claimed to have
seen.  Instead, it was replaced by "hearing is believing", which meant
that people believed and trusted the local authority figure.  It could
be a village elder, rabbi, priest, teacher or other recognized
authority.  None of these had personally seen anything, but the weight
of their authority was sufficient to make people listen and believe
their version of reality.
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It's not so different today.  Instead of a choice between believing
what one sees and hears, it's now a choice between what we have read
on social media or viewed on YouTube.  The problem of "who to trust"
is also the same.  However, instead of 2 choices, we now have hundreds
of "influencers" bombarding us with their view of reality, which is
typically just propaganda.  The problem isn't that people will believe
"anything" but rather that they'll believe "everything" without any
guidelines, education, reference, sources, authorities, etc that they
can trust to help separate the truth from the propaganda.  Most
politicians have given up on trying to appear honest and simply adjust
their advocacy and promises to conform what their audience considers
acceptable.  The mob no longer follows the leader.  Instead, the
leader follows whatever the mob might want.
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Social media and such are not threats to democracy.  They are threats
to the republican form of government, where we elect representatives
to represent our opinions to the government.  The problem is the
representatives don't use the same criteria for judgment that is used
by those who elected them to office.  Politicians favor anything that
will enrich them and their friends through contributions and favors.
I've been involved in meetings with elected officials that make me
suspect that they are very badly informed about the issues that put
them in office and very well informed on the sources of cash and
influence that keep them in office.

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    I sort of disagree with you. Psychopaths behind companies like
X (ex-twitter), Meta, Google, Amakon and others more or less define
who/what people vote for. Old fashioned media like newspapers and TV
have some influence, but less, because they announce news for
everyone. Social media carefully tailors news for each individual.
    An example? Brekshit....Facebook and Cambridge Analytica made
people vote for something they didn't even understand. Note the people
behind the scandal were all right-wing. I'm not sure if I should laugh
at or feel sorry for people that think that Zukerberg and Bezos are
"communists". Sure, they want the State to confiscate Meta and Amakon
<implicit sarcasm>
    They say that Musk might even destroy the US as you know it
now. Depends on how much he influenced the vote. Musk is a right-wing
fascist, and privately  - sometime publicly - defends dictatorships.
    Enough gullible idiots, and those psychopaths could vote a
pumpkin into office.
    Your  problem is that people in your social circle are
probably more intelligent than the national average. Harder to con.
Usually think before giving an opinion. In my line of work I had
contact with all sorts.
    Believe me, the average human is very stupid...and
trusting(did I just plagiarize Zukerberg?)
    []'s

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Hint:  I can fix anything if I know how it works.  I really believe
that and study how things really work before I try to fix them.  That
also applies to government and the economy.  We're not going to be
able to fix the government or economy until we have a good
understanding of how they work.  The schools are trying, but the
problem has grown faster than the curriculum can keep up.

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Words matter.  Or ought to, anyway.
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Fascist are of the left.  The National Socialist Party was indeed socialist, and they would know. The original was created by Mussolini after the Great War as an extension of The Futurists, all of a piece with socialist theory. Franco, supported by Germany and Italy, was also a fascist of the left. His opponents were of the right- the Crown and the Church.
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Oh, and Mr Musk is not among them.

 He is now - soon to be the head of trumps newest cabinet position: Secretary of Oligarchy.
  

I was just plain wrong in the post cited above. I apologize.
I deleted it after my ride this morning but not before you replied, making my mistake immortal.
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