Re: 1972 Legnano in the news

On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 13:24:06 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 11/14/2024 12:51 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 11/14/2024 10:59 AM, AMuzi wrote:

On 11/14/2024 9:48 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

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I'm explaining why bike paths have been found to cause
more crashes per kilometer than ordinary roads.
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Apparently, for certain people to understand why, it's
necessary to repeat the information.
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Not that I mind. Any competent teacher knows that people
seldom really grasp a new fact the first time they hear it.

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People choose what they like, for their own reasons or for
no reason.
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As mentioned recently here, separated paths skew to a
different demographic than urban commuting in traffic,
different than large Sunday morning touring clubs,
different than Cat 5 criteriums, etc.  All of those
contribute to the overall non-path rate per mile yet each
subgroup's rate is different.

 
True. As with many issues, people can excuse the broad data
by claiming it applies only (or more?) to subgroups. But as
with many issues, we can never get 100% granular data. We
have to make do with the data we have.
 
If nothing else, the links I've given should indicate that
on linear park bike trails, people should be a bit more
alert than they typically are.
 

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Fair enough.  Which applies much more broadly than merely
segregated bicycle paths!!

The degree of alertness required depends on many things, wherever one
chooses to ride. Certainly a bike path with lots of bikes, walkers,
skaters, and all that requires a cyclist to be more careful than the
lonely section of rural road, totally devoid of any traffic that I
rode today. Comparing the lonely Suncoast trail where I rode most of
my miles today to multilane city street is altogether different.

Frankly, I refuse to ride bike trails like in the first example above.
The Pinellis Trail is like that and is worse because of street
crossings every couple of hundred feet or so. I refuse to ride
suburban streets for the same reason, and I don't eve have to unclip
when I have to stop.

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C'est bon
Soloman