Re: 8 & 9 year old girls riding bicycles

On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 08:41:36 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 12/27/2024 8:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 12/27/2024 2:25 PM, AMuzi wrote:

On 12/27/2024 12:35 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

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And I agree with you that defense is utterly random due
to the asymmetric aspect of planning vs surprise, armed
or not.

Thank you. And I wonder how many of the gun hobbyists
here keep their loaded gun at the ready, to be grabbed
within a minute, when at home?

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I have no idea of actual numbers, and data is scarce, for
the same reason that political polling is much less
accurate now.
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All defensive use of firearms (not only against domestic
intruder but also cabbies, store clerks, runners &
cyclists, etc) runs to very large numbers in total.
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https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU00/20211027/114190/
HMKP-117- JU00-20211027-SD007.pdf

 
Ah yes. But OTOH https://www.americanprogress.org/article/
debunking-the-guns-make-us-safer-myth/
 
"Using Kleck and Gertz’s own accounting, David Hemenway,
director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center,
showed just two years later that their DGU estimates were
impossible.21 While the 1995 survey estimated that guns were
used for self-defense during burglaries approximately
845,000 times that year, Hemenway estimated that fewer than
550,000 possible burglaries occurred in homes with a gun
owner present—suggesting that for the Kleck and Gertz
figures to be accurate, burglary victims would have needed
to use their gun defensively in more than 100 percent of
cases, which is, of course, impossible.22 "  Etc.
 
A major tactic of gun fans is making people very, very
afraid - as in "Someone could break through your front door
as you're reading this!" Or "Someone could try to kill you
as you ride your bike to work!"
 
And yet, it seems such incidents are so rare they're found
by only one guy I know who digs for them each day on the
internet!  :-)
 

Justice Department says 100,000 defensive use of firearms
incidents which is well over the total number of firearm
homicides. Independent researchers show between 760,000
and 3.6 million defensive events per year.
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Why did you not know this?

 
We've discussed this at length, haven't we? "Nine times as
many people report being victimized by a person with a gun
than being protected by a gun."
 
Our tricycle rider just said that seconds count. When you're
at home, is your gun on your person at all times, just in
case of a home invasion? Is his? I'm betting not. I'm
betting if you did suffer a home invasion, like John did,
your gun would be useless. Like John's was.
 
 

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And yet the Justice Department, which clearly undercounts,
says 100,000 defensive incidents per year. All other sources
are higher, most much higher.
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Which says to me that some large number of USAians see a
benefit, and avail themselves of it, and are alive to tell
the tale.
>
I agree with you that such situations are chaotic and vary
greatly in scenario, detail, abilities/skills and timing
such that outcomes are random and unpredictable. In short,
being armed is not a 100% certainty of success in defense.
But enough of my fellow citizens believe it's helpful and
for at least 100,000 of them, worthwhile.

I believe that it's foolish not to be prepared when the preparation is
so easy, and entertaining.

--
C'est bon
Soloman