Sujet : Re: 8 & 9 year old girls riding bicycles
De : Soloman (at) *nospam* old.bikers.org (Catrike Ryder)
Groupes : rec.bicycles.techDate : 29. Dec 2024, 10:14:04
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On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:07:45 +0700, John B. <
slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 10:45:07 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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On 12/27/2024 10:40 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 12:35:31 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 12/27/2024 9:44 AM, AMuzi wrote:
... shot with a gun in your home ...
>
The question is whose firearm? More likely by your own by negligence/
misadventure or by the invader's weapon? Decide and either arm yourself
or not depending on your own risks and your own assessment of those risks.
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As I recall, a large portion of the gun deaths in the home happen to
wives or partners of men who own guns. Angry fights turn into shootings.
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And as I recall, those are much more common than armed home invasions.
Those are actually quite rare.
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As John has related in some detail, if someone does burst into your home
and threatens violence, having a gun in the home is very unlikely to help.
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No, that isn't true. I had a gun which was stored in the bedroom. I
was sitting, eating, at the table, in a different room when the three
guys kicked the door in and rushed into the house. Had I been in the
bed room when it happened it would have been a different story.
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"Coulda, woulda, shoulda..."
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You had a gun in your house, probably for "protection." You are one of
the tiny percentage of Americans who ever suffer a true home invasion.
Your gun did you no good, because you don't go around inside your home
with your gun always within easy reach. That latter fact is true of
almost all gun owners.
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Deal with it.
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The question of whether a gun in the house is useful is a far more
complex problem then one single incident can explain. See
https://www.heritage.org/gun-rights/commentary/11-more-cases-which-responsible-gun-owners-saved-lives
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Ah, eleven anecdotes, doubtlessly found by enthusiastic search! Versus
many, many hundreds of data points collected in unbiased and disciplined
scientific ways.
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I'm beginning to think that you are some sort of phony. First you use
one data point, i.e. my experience to "prove" your point and then
condemn someone that used 11 times as many that prove you are wrong.
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Is this some sort of psychic thing... "Right or wrong, I'm always
right"?
Apparently, you don't understand that Krygowski and his anecdotes are
special.
"Am I qualified to talk about such things? Yes, by virtue of attending
multiple classes at various levels for each of the programs described
above. I've also acted as an editorial consultant on two well known
books dealing with those matters. I've written many articles on those
and related topics, and had some of them reprinted by publications in
other states and one other country. I no longer maintain the teaching
certification, but I've taught many cycling classes, I've written
scripts for and appeared in televised instructional spots, I've been
interviewed for newspapers and TV on such matters, and I've spoken (by
request) at city, regional and statewide gatherings."
--Frank Krygowski
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/zq7Xw0dOUx4/m/cPDmX5OWAQAJ-- C'est bonSoloman