Re: Patching TPU innertube

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:

On 12/30/2024 10:28 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:

On 12/28/2024 6:35 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 12/28/2024 12:43 PM, zen cycle wrote:

On 12/27/2024 9:40 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 12/27/2024 2:01 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:

On 12/27/2024 1:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

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Given what I've read about violins (Stradivarius can't be told
from modern ones in blind hearing tests)

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horseshit. Someone with training and experience can most
certainly tell the difference in the tonal quality between a
Stradivarius and even a high quality modern violin.

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https://www.science.org/content/article/million-dollar-strads-fall-
modern-violins-blind-sound-check

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Which doesn't support your claim. You wrote "Stradivarius can't be
told from modern ones in blind hearing tests", The article states:
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"the 82 listeners in the test reported that the new violins
projected better"
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"asked subjects which of the two violins in a pairing they
preferred. Listeners chose the new violins over the old"
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Yes, they could tell the difference.

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This question has been studied many, many times, for decades. The
consistent results are that players or audience can't tell the
difference.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/08/science/a-strad-violinists-cant-
tell.html

Paywalled
 

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https://www.science.org/content/article/elite-violinists-fail-
distinguish-legendary-violins-modern-fiddles

"The consistency of results from session to session showed that
soloists could definitely distinguish one violin from
another. However, the soloists seemed to prefer the new violins, the
researchers report online today in the Proceedings of the National
Academy of Sciences."
Yes, they can tell the difference.
 

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https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/violinists-cant-
tell- the-difference-between-stradivarius-violins-and-new-ones

The science.org piece also references the test noted here.
 

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and wines (cheap wines really light up pleasure centers in the
brain if tasters are told the wine is expensive),

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more horseshit. Someone with training and experience can
certainly tell the difference in the flavor profiles, especially
if you tried to dupe them with a Gallo.

https://money.com/expensive-price-tag-cheap-wine-brain-placebo-effect/

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Which again doesn't support the claim that people couldn't tell
the difference. It also doesn't state what qualifications the
tasters had, if any. I've had crappy $100 bottles of wine and
excellent $25 bottles of wine. Flavor preference is not the same
than as "can't tell the difference".

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If "telling the difference" is the same as "succumbing to the
placebo effect," you've got a point.

Do you really think it does?
 

Otherwise, no.

we disagree. You're claim was "can't tell the
difference". Everything you posted to this point notes differences
were detected - maybe not to conventional wisdom, but differences
were detected nonetheless.

OK, I yield. They could tell one violin did not sound precisely like
another. But they could not tell which was the Strad, which was really
my point.
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IOW, they could not detect the supposedly unduplicable sound quality,
the factor that causes Strads to sell for millions of dollars more
than modern violins.

That's just supply and demand.  The supply of genuinue Stradivarius
instruments is quite inelastic, which is all that is needed to explain
the difference in price, even if only a small fraction of the market
prefers them.

Economics is weird and powerful.
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