Re: Patching TPU innertube

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Sujet : Re: Patching TPU innertube
De : am (at) *nospam* yellowjersey.org (AMuzi)
Groupes : rec.bicycles.tech
Date : 03. Jan 2025, 19:21:26
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On 1/3/2025 11:11 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/3/2025 11:55 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/3/2025 10:39 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
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As I've tried (and tried!) to make clear, most of my remarks have been about people judging between two products that are quite similar.
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Yes and there's the rub. Similar to whom?
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Or backing up a bit, some people pay a lot for Stradivarius violins or rare vintages or what have you _for their own reasons_ by their own criteria.  Those criteria go beyond utility, resale value etc. Even your comments include, "...I liked the looks...".
 About Strads: Similar to whom? Similar to experts.
 More detail: The Strad tests have been done for and by people who were in  the upper echelon of classical violin skill and/or appreciation - that is, both players and listeners.
 A fiddler at my level would never even be allowed to handle a Strad. And supposedly, since Strads are the most common model for emulating by modern builders, one generally can't tell if one is holding a Strad or a modern copy. (Some modern luthiers take pains to replicate "aging" on their violins.) (Oh, and there are millions of machine-made violins with fake Stradivarius labels inside them. You can look that up.)
 As long as we're on the topic, I highly recommend the film _The Red Violin_. It's the story of a similar ancient violin through the ages. The ending is very relevant to this discussion.
 
Having read a lot of local news for many decades, I'm reminded of a Stradivarius theft outside a concert hall in Milwaukee (which was recovered years later).
https://urbanmilwaukee.com/2014/01/29/plenty-of-horne-the-mystery-of-the-stolen-violin/
Tangential to that reporting I learned that extremely valuable instruments are usually loaned to musicians by wealthy owners who do not necessarily play them.  Puts another wrinkle on the interplay of purchase price, utility, intrinsic value, resale value, aesthetics, Veblen value and probably more.  BTW the musicians so gifted all speak glowingly of those arrangements, which one would not expect if they were inferior in any way to modern ones.
Again, I'm just a casual observer here and a philistine on the subject of classical music or musical hardware.
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Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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