Re: Rene Herse "New type of tire"

On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 16:39:41 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 1/8/2025 3:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 1/8/2025 3:29 PM, AMuzi wrote:

On 1/8/2025 11:36 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 11:02:58 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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On 1/8/2025 2:34 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

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Indeed it very much looks like some of the more street
tyres for MTB’s
you’d see in the 1980’s and so on!

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Like many or most marketers, I think Jan Heine is
touting nearly
imperceptible differences.

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On the other hand, there's no such thing as "too many
choices."
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C'est bon
Soloman

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+1
Either they sell enough at a high enough margin to recover
their tooling expense plus some operations profit or that
tire will just go away. Like anything else.

 
I'd be a bit interested in exactly how a small company's
"new" tire comes to market.
 
Obviously, Rene Herse Inc. does not make any parts of the
tire. I suspect Jan Heine and crew select from a menu of
choices regarding beads, fabrics, perhaps adhesives and
whatever else matters regarding the casing. I wonder exactly
how those factors differ from other tires - especially the
Paselas that I usually use.
 
I imagine the recipe for tread rubber is also pretty much a
menu choice, affecting longevity vs. traction and/or other
factors. It sounds like he gets to choose the tread design,
so effectively the design of the mold for the tread rubber,
which I suppose will be used only for his brand. That cost
has to be amortized over the total sales of that model of tire.
 

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Panaracer product if I recall.
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Designer/reseller creates the tread design, specifies tread
material/hardness usually from existing  product ranges,
specifies casing fabric, labels (Color panel? Molded
letters?) size(s),  etc.  All of those things have a range
of charges. After negotiating all that plus expected volume
(a one-run product? contract for monthly deliveries?) the
designer/reseller buys the tooling plus whatever the unit
cost may be.
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A less expensive path is to just buy an existing tire
product and pay for color labels with your chosen name and
graphics:
https://www.yellowjersey.org/SERVCORS.JPG
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Neither is all that different from your major US brands
buying bicycles in a certain large Asian country or products
like this Isuzu sold by GM:
https://tfltruck.com/2018/08/truck-rewind-chevy-luv-pickup-truck-1972-1982/
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or the upcoming new Jeep model which will be a rework of a
Euro market Fiat subcompact electric:
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https://electrek.co/2024/05/29/jeep-launching-25000-ev-us-very-soon/
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“If you ask me what is an affordable BEV, I would say 20,000 euros in
Europe and $25,000 in the US,”

Just what we've all been waiting for :-)

Or your 'Hardware Store Brand' bicycle, screwdriver, hair
dryer or whatever.

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Cheers,

John B.