Re: RE: Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?

On 1/11/2025 3:59 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Sat Jan 11 17:14:23 2025 Roger Merriman  wrote:

zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 1/10/2025 9:45 PM, John B. wrote:

On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 15:40:04 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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On 1/10/2025 2:20 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jan 2025 12:01:19 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote:
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"Protected" bike lane hazard lawsuit:
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https://komonews.com/news/local/cyclist-green-lake-neighborhood-king-

county-superior-court-aviv-litov-26-years-old-bike-lanes-life-altering-
injuries-strittmatter-firm-configuration-tesla
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But Frank, didn't you just ask me what I did when a 10 foot wide truck
tried to pass me on a 12 foot road? Apparently your answer is to take the
lane and hope that the truck isn't going too fast to slow in time.

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I asked what you do when an 8.5 foot truck comes up from behind you in a
10 foot lane.
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My answer is to take the lane. I've done it thousands of times. It works.
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What's your answer? Do you get off the road?

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Ah yes... I once described an accident here where two women and two
tiny kids on a motor scooter "took the lane". The truck certainly
attempted to stop, in fact the trailer had tipped over and was still
laying in the road when I came by, but still  wasn't able to stop in
time. The results was 4 people in the hospital, two of which died.
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Your response was,  "Oh! They didn't do it right."
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That's when I realized that your advise really wasn't very good at
all.

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If they did it right it would have worked.
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I do it all the time, It works when done right. Sort of like giving
someone with no clue how to handle a hand gun a hand gun and telling
them to fend for themself.
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If you do it right, it works, and works well. If you don't do it right,
you stand a good chance of getting yourself killed.
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Indeed I am fairly pragmatic but also used to riding in urban and suburban
environments which don?t differ somewhat.
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And as such I ride defensively ie take the lane and so on, and use cycle
infrastructure or not as the case maybe ie still some pointless at least to
myself stuff about.

    I take the lame when it is safe to do so. The ride over Palomares always ends with a ride down Niles Canyon and there is road work which almost entirely eliminates the shoulder. This means that I must take the lane and I do. But I ride very fast and faster autos behind me pass across a double yellow line which is illegal in California even "when safe". when they are doing this I move as far right as practical since oncoming traffic appearing around a bend will cause the passing vehicle to pull back into the proper lane and cyclists be damned.

I'll note that another benefit of riding near lane center is that you have somewhere to go if a motorist does pull back into your lane too soon.
I once had that happen to me on the four lane very near my home. It was a trucker pulling a long flatbed trailer. The cab cleared me by a great distance, but he may have underestimated my speed and thought his trailer would be past me.
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- Frank Krygowski