Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?

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Date : 13. Jan 2025, 18:27:09
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Am Mon, 13 Jan 2025 11:24:29 -0500 schrieb Frank Krygowski
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"Traffic traveling as much as 90 kph" is usually much less problem for
me than John pretends, in part because most of the roads I ride have
slower speeds, chosen because of aesthetics. Less traffic and less road
noise is more pleasant.

Exactly.  An quite a lot of roads with no limit (meaning limited to 100
km/h outside of highways) are wide enough or have little traffic, so
that overtaking slower vehicles is not much of a problem.  I a driver is
able to overtake another that only drives at 80 km/h, he or she is
certailny able to overtake a cyclist doing 30 km/h only. Most probably,
the latter is much easier to do, for obvious reasons.

>
And even those with 55 mph cars seldom have continuous platoons. One or
two motorists at a time are easy to deal with. In either case, when
motorists see me at lane center, they seem to realize right away that
they will have to adjust their speed, their lane choice or whatever.
It's rare to even get a horn honk.

Time to show this short video again
<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/20210710/L113.mp4>
We have used that road quite often, because it is the best connection to
get out of the larger Rhine valley and into the low mountain range
called "Eifel".  Narrower roads, especially those with a sidepath are
both more unpleasant and more risky. Motorists can sniff "bicycle
infrastructure" even when there isn't any. Any rotten footpath is good
enough. :-(

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Thank you for observing all safety precautions

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15 Jan 25 i+* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?6Frank Krygowski
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16 Jan 25  ii      i `- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1zen cycle
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14 Jan 25  ii       +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?2AMuzi
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11 Jan 25  i +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?3zen cycle
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