Re: RE: Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?

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De : frkrygow (at) *nospam* sbcglobal.net (Frank Krygowski)
Groupes : rec.bicycles.tech
Date : 13. Jan 2025, 19:08:59
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On 1/13/2025 11:52 AM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Jan 9 18:05:50 2025 Frank Krygowski  wrote:
On 1/9/2025 2:17 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"Protected" bike lane hazard lawsuit:
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https://komonews.com/news/local/cyclist-green-lake-neighborhood-king-county-superior-court-aviv-litov-26-years-old-bike-lanes-life-altering-injuries-strittmatter-firm-configuration-tesla
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I?m unconvinced by such designs seems asking for trouble and and attempting
to please everyone ie compromise the cycleway for car parking, I?m guessing
nice wide junction with no attempt to slow cars down let alone control it?
>
If you're talking about that particular crash, it happened at a parking
lot. "A lawsuit filed in King County Superior Court claims Aviv Litov,
26, was riding on Green Lake Drive North last June when a Tesla SUV
turned into a protected bike lane to access a parking lot."
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So no, not a "nice wide junction." Cyclists hidden from view are at risk
of collisions at every driveway as well as every parking lot and street
intersection.
>
But of course there are people like Mike Francisco, quoted in the video
and article, for whom "Any bike facility is a good bike facility."
    Where are cyclists "hidden from view"? A car of any sort STILL has to pass a bike to turn into a driveway of any sort in order to hit the bike.
Hiding a bike lane behind a line of parked cars absolutely makes the cyclists much less noticeable. They are hidden from view. How is this not obvious?
--
- Frank Krygowski

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9 Jan 25 * Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?93Frank Krygowski
9 Jan 25 +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?18Roger Merriman
10 Jan 25 i+* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?9Frank Krygowski
10 Jan 25 ii+- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Wolfgang Strobl
11 Jan 25 ii+* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?5Roger Merriman
11 Jan 25 iii`* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?4Frank Krygowski
11 Jan 25 iii `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?3Roger Merriman
12 Jan 25 iii  `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?2Frank Krygowski
12 Jan 25 iii   `- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Roger Merriman
13 Jan 25 ii`* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?2Frank Krygowski
14 Jan 25 ii `- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Roger Merriman
15 Jan 25 i+* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?6Frank Krygowski
16 Jan 25 ii`* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?5zen cycle
16 Jan 25 ii `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?4John B.
16 Jan 25 ii  +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?2zen cycle
16 Jan 25 ii  i`- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Frank Krygowski
16 Jan 25 ii  `- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1AMuzi
16 Jan 25 i`* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?2Roger Merriman
21 Jan 25 i `- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Roger Merriman
10 Jan 25 `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?74Tom Kunich
10 Jan 25  +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?72Frank Krygowski
11 Jan 25  i+* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?64Frank Krygowski
12 Jan 25  ii`* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?63Frank Krygowski
12 Jan 25  ii `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?62John B.
12 Jan 25  ii  `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?61Catrike Ryder
12 Jan 25  ii   `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?60Frank Krygowski
12 Jan 25  ii    +- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Catrike Ryder
12 Jan 25  ii    +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?46Roger Merriman
13 Jan 25  ii    i+- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Catrike Ryder
13 Jan 25  ii    i+* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?18Frank Krygowski
13 Jan 25  ii    ii+* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?16Roger Merriman
13 Jan 25  ii    iii`* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?15Frank Krygowski
13 Jan 25  ii    iii `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?14Catrike Ryder
14 Jan 25  ii    iii  `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?13John B.
14 Jan 25  ii    iii   +- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1AMuzi
14 Jan 25  ii    iii   `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?11Catrike Ryder
14 Jan 25  ii    iii    +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?3John B.
14 Jan 25  ii    iii    i+- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Catrike Ryder
14 Jan 25  ii    iii    i`- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1AMuzi
14 Jan 25  ii    iii    `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?7Frank Krygowski
14 Jan 25  ii    iii     +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?5AMuzi
14 Jan 25  ii    iii     i+- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Catrike Ryder
14 Jan 25  ii    iii     i+* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?2Frank Krygowski
14 Jan 25  ii    iii     ii`- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Catrike Ryder
15 Jan 25  ii    iii     i`- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1John B.
14 Jan 25  ii    iii     `- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Catrike Ryder
13 Jan 25  ii    ii`- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Catrike Ryder
13 Jan 25  ii    i`* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?26John B.
13 Jan 25  ii    i +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?2Roger Merriman
13 Jan 25  ii    i i`- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1John B.
13 Jan 25  ii    i +- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Catrike Ryder
13 Jan 25  ii    i `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?22Frank Krygowski
13 Jan 25  ii    i  +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?3Catrike Ryder
14 Jan 25  ii    i  i`* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?2John B.
14 Jan 25  ii    i  i `- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Frank Krygowski
13 Jan 25  ii    i  `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?18Wolfgang Strobl
13 Jan 25  ii    i   +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?3Catrike Ryder
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17 Jan 25  ii    i   i `- Re: Riding country roads (was: Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?)1Catrike Ryder
14 Jan 25  ii    i   `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?14John B.
14 Jan 25  ii    i    +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?3Roger Merriman
14 Jan 25  ii    i    i`* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?2John B.
14 Jan 25  ii    i    i `- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Roger Merriman
14 Jan 25  ii    i    +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?7Wolfgang Strobl
15 Jan 25  ii    i    i`* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?6John B.
15 Jan 25  ii    i    i `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?5Wolfgang Strobl
15 Jan 25  ii    i    i  +- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1AMuzi
15 Jan 25  ii    i    i  +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?2Frank Krygowski
15 Jan 25  ii    i    i  i`- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Roger Merriman
15 Jan 25  ii    i    i  `- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1John B.
14 Jan 25  ii    i    `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?3Frank Krygowski
14 Jan 25  ii    i     `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?2Joy Beeson
14 Jan 25  ii    i      `- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Roger Merriman
13 Jan 25  ii    `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?12John B.
13 Jan 25  ii     `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?11Frank Krygowski
13 Jan 25  ii      +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?5Catrike Ryder
14 Jan 25  ii      i+- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Catrike Ryder
16 Jan 25  ii      i`* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?3John B.
16 Jan 25  ii      i +- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Catrike Ryder
16 Jan 25  ii      i `- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1zen cycle
14 Jan 25  ii      `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?5Frank Krygowski
14 Jan 25  ii       +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?2AMuzi
14 Jan 25  ii       i`- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Catrike Ryder
14 Jan 25  ii       +- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Catrike Ryder
14 Jan 25  ii       `- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Radey Shouman
11 Jan 25  i`* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?7John B.
11 Jan 25  i +* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?3zen cycle
11 Jan 25  i i`* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?2Roger Merriman
12 Jan 25  i i `- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Frank Krygowski
11 Jan 25  i `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?3Frank Krygowski
13 Jan 25  i  `* Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?2Tom Kunich
13 Jan 25  i   `- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Frank Krygowski
11 Jan 25  `- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1John B.

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