Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"

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Sujet : Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"
De : Soloman (at) *nospam* old.bikers.org (Catrike Ryder)
Groupes : rec.bicycles.tech
Date : 16. Jan 2025, 20:16:11
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On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 11:16:59 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

On 1/16/2025 4:23 AM, Catrike Ryder demonstrated amazing ignorance by
writing:
how do you seize the lane
if you do not pull out into the traffic?
Our tricycle rider is so unfamiliar with riding on actual roads that he
seems to visualize every road as always being bumper to bumper with
speeding vehicles. But that oh-so-scary image is paranoid fantasy.

<LOL> Krygowski often tries to put words in other people mouths, here
he tried to put thoughts in other person's (me) minds.

Almost all roads feature rather large gaps between moving vehicles. When
I bicycle out of my street onto a four lane that carries something like
30,000 vehicles per day, I do it by waiting for a gap in traffic, much
as I do when driving may car or riding my motorcycle.

So, I guess you do pull out into the traffic.

With any of my three vehicles, I then place myself in the center of the
lane. With any of those three vehicles, motorists who want to go faster
than me merge into the next lane over to pass.

Well, yes, as I just said in another thread. I've found that riding in
traffic in four lanes is easier and safer than riding in two lanes.
I've done it many times.

This is not rocket science. It's all according to existing traffic laws.
It's not dangerous, it's not scary.

Actually, driving, or motorcycling on or walking along near heavy
traffic can be dangerous enough. My wife and I have driven thousands
of miles on the road described below. We've never seen anyone stupid
enough to ride a bicycle on it, let alone "take the lane."

According to a Dateline NBC study, part of US 19 in Florida is the
most dangerous road in the U.S. A Florida Highway Patrol test period
beginning in 1998 and ending in 2003, as mandated by the National
Highway Traffic Safety Administration, showed the stretch of US 19
from Pasco to Pinellas county to average approximately 52 deaths a
year, or 262 deaths in the five-year duration of the study. Of these
deaths, 100 were pedestrian related making US 19 the #1 worst road to
walk on in these two counties.[4] Multiple efforts to improve US 19
have been suggested to FDOT.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Route_19_in_Florida

That's one death a week on a 25/30 mile stretch of high way. How many
fender benders would that take. What are the odds that a fender bender
type of accident with a vehicle would be a serious accident for a
bicycle?

Accident and death statistics are much worse today.

I suspect that you don't ever really ride in any serious traffic.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

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11 Jan 25 * Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"230Frank Krygowski
11 Jan 25 +* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"3Jeff Liebermann
11 Jan 25 i`* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"2AMuzi
11 Jan 25 i `- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1Catrike Ryder
11 Jan 25 +* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"224Roger Merriman
13 Jan 25 i`* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"223NFN Smith
14 Jan 25 i `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"222Frank Krygowski
15 Jan 25 i  `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"221NFN Smith
15 Jan 25 i   +* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"31John B.
15 Jan 25 i   i+- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1NFN Smith
15 Jan 25 i   i+- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1Wolfgang Strobl
15 Jan 25 i   i`* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"28Frank Krygowski
15 Jan 25 i   i +- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1Roger Merriman
15 Jan 25 i   i +* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"24Catrike Ryder
16 Jan 25 i   i i`* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"23John B.
16 Jan 25 i   i i +* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"19Frank Krygowski
16 Jan 25 i   i i i+* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"11John B.
16 Jan 25 i   i i ii+* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"5Catrike Ryder
17 Jan 25 i   i i iii`* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"4John B.
17 Jan 25 i   i i iii +* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"2zen cycle
17 Jan 25 i   i i iii i`- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1Frank Krygowski
17 Jan 25 i   i i iii `- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1Frank Krygowski
16 Jan 25 i   i i ii`* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"5Frank Krygowski
17 Jan 25 i   i i ii `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"4Roger Merriman
17 Jan 25 i   i i ii  `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"3Frank Krygowski
17 Jan 25 i   i i ii   +- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1Catrike Ryder
17 Jan 25 i   i i ii   `- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1Roger Merriman
16 Jan 25 i   i i i`* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"7Catrike Ryder
16 Jan 25 i   i i i +* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"2John B.
16 Jan 25 i   i i i i`- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1Roger Merriman
16 Jan 25 i   i i i `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"4Frank Krygowski
16 Jan 25 i   i i i  `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"3Catrike Ryder
16 Jan 25 i   i i i   `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"2Frank Krygowski
16 Jan 25 i   i i i    `- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1Catrike Ryder
16 Jan 25 i   i i `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"3Catrike Ryder
16 Jan 25 i   i i  `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"2Frank Krygowski
16 Jan 25 i   i i   `- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1Catrike Ryder
15 Jan 25 i   i `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"2Frank Krygowski
16 Jan 25 i   i  `- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1Frank Krygowski
15 Jan 25 i   `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"189Shadow
15 Jan 25 i    +* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"186AMuzi
16 Jan 25 i    i+* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"183Frank Krygowski
16 Jan 25 i    ii`* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"182AMuzi
16 Jan 25 i    ii +- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1John B.
16 Jan 25 i    ii +* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"179Frank Krygowski
16 Jan 25 i    ii i+* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"4John B.
16 Jan 25 i    ii ii`* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"3AMuzi
16 Jan 25 i    ii ii `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"2Frank Krygowski
16 Jan 25 i    ii ii  `- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1Catrike Ryder
16 Jan 25 i    ii i+* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"73Catrike Ryder
16 Jan 25 i    ii ii+* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"22AMuzi
16 Jan 25 i    ii iii+- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1Catrike Ryder
17 Jan 25 i    ii iii`* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"20John B.
17 Jan 25 i    ii iii `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"19Jeff Liebermann
17 Jan 25 i    ii iii  +* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"15John B.
17 Jan 25 i    ii iii  i+* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"12Catrike Ryder
17 Jan 25 i    ii iii  ii+* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"9John B.
17 Jan 25 i    ii iii  iii+* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"2Catrike Ryder
17 Jan 25 i    ii iii  iiii`- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1AMuzi
17 Jan 25 i    ii iii  iii+* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"4AMuzi
17 Jan 25 i    ii iii  iiii`* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"3Frank Krygowski
17 Jan 25 i    ii iii  iiii `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"2AMuzi
17 Jan 25 i    ii iii  iiii  `- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1Frank Krygowski
17 Jan 25 i    ii iii  iii`* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"2Jeff Liebermann
17 Jan 25 i    ii iii  iii `- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1Roger Merriman
17 Jan 25 i    ii iii  ii`* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"2AMuzi
17 Jan 25 i    ii iii  ii `- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1Catrike Ryder
17 Jan 25 i    ii iii  i`* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"2AMuzi
17 Jan 25 i    ii iii  i `- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1Catrike Ryder
17 Jan 25 i    ii iii  `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"3Catrike Ryder
17 Jan 25 i    ii iii   `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"2John B.
17 Jan 25 i    ii iii    `- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1Catrike Ryder
16 Jan 25 i    ii ii`* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"50Frank Krygowski
16 Jan 25 i    ii ii `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"49Catrike Ryder
16 Jan 25 i    ii ii  `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"48AMuzi
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16 Jan 25 i    ii ii   ii+* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"34Zen Cycle
16 Jan 25 i    ii ii   iii`* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"33AMuzi
16 Jan 25 i    ii ii   iii +* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"8Catrike Ryder
16 Jan 25 i    ii ii   iii i`* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"7AMuzi
17 Jan 25 i    ii ii   iii i `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"6Catrike Ryder
17 Jan 25 i    ii ii   iii i  `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"5AMuzi
17 Jan 25 i    ii ii   iii i   `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"4Jeff Liebermann
17 Jan 25 i    ii ii   iii i    +* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"2Catrike Ryder
17 Jan 25 i    ii ii   iii i    i`- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1AMuzi
17 Jan 25 i    ii ii   iii i    `- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1zen cycle
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16 Jan 25 i    ii ii   iii  `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"23AMuzi
17 Jan 25 i    ii ii   iii   `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"22Frank Krygowski
17 Jan 25 i    ii ii   iii    +* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"3Frank Krygowski
17 Jan 25 i    ii ii   iii    i`* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"2AMuzi
17 Jan 25 i    ii ii   iii    i `- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1Catrike Ryder
17 Jan 25 i    ii ii   iii    `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"18Catrike Ryder
17 Jan 25 i    ii ii   iii     `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"17Shadow
17 Jan 25 i    ii ii   iii      +* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"3zen cycle
17 Jan 25 i    ii ii   iii      i`* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"2Frank Krygowski
17 Jan 25 i    ii ii   iii      i `- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1Catrike Ryder
17 Jan 25 i    ii ii   iii      `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"13Catrike Ryder
17 Jan 25 i    ii ii   iii       `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"12AMuzi
17 Jan 25 i    ii ii   iii        +* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"3Frank Krygowski
17 Jan 25 i    ii ii   iii        +* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"6Shadow
18 Jan 25 i    ii ii   iii        `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"2John B.
16 Jan 25 i    ii ii   ii`- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1Catrike Ryder
16 Jan 25 i    ii ii   i`- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1Catrike Ryder
16 Jan 25 i    ii ii   `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"9Catrike Ryder
16 Jan 25 i    ii i+* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"90Shadow
16 Jan 25 i    ii i+* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"6AMuzi
17 Jan 25 i    ii i`* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"5Shadow
17 Jan 25 i    ii `- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1Shadow
16 Jan 25 i    i+- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1Shadow
16 Jan 25 i    i`- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1Catrike Ryder
16 Jan 25 i    `* Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"2Shadow
11 Jan 25 +- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1Jeff Liebermann
12 Jan 25 `- Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"1Frank Krygowski

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