Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!"

On 1/18/2025 8:15 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 18 Jan 2025 08:02:18 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
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AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 1/17/2025 9:02 PM, John B. wrote:

On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 22:01:41 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
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On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 07:47:48 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
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On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 13:18:48 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
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On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 08:25:45 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
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On 1/17/2025 5:21 AM, Shadow wrote:

On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 11:30:14 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
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On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 14:07:10 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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On 1/16/2025 12:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:

On 1/16/2025 10:30 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 1/16/2025 10:00 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

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In my opinion, the reason that humans rose to our place on the food
chain is because of our individualistic need to better ourselves and
our situation.

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Your rabid individualism has obviously stunted your education. Don't
expect that many will value your totally uneducated opinions.
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Interpretation varies.
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Mr Tricycle has a point, and a very good one at that.

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I suggest a test. Put Mr. Tricycle out in the wilderness all alone. I
predict he won't better himself or his situation. In fact, I predict he
won't survive long.
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OTOH, human beings working cooperatively have built entire civilizations.

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Your argument sounds so logical... until one actually work with
primitive people, the ones the trike man is talking about. And yes I
have worked with this sort of people. In one case we had to call in
the Indonesian military to stop a "war" between two villagers over who
would keep a worn out plastic tarpaulin. Hardly an example of
"cooperatively".
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By the way, the military solution was to simplify get out of the
helicopter and immediately shoot one of the two fighters. Fight over.

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What faction were the "military" ? Nazis?
They murdered a citizen in cold blood and didn't solve the
problem.
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And unless that "primitive person" was a baboon, his IQ was
probably equal to, or even superior to the "military's"***. Not having
access to a decent education doesn't make you stupid, it makes you
ignorant.
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*** The military are notoriously stupid. Far more stupid than
the general population.

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Well, their mission was to prevent a war and further
slaughter.

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Sounded more like a scuffle between two men.
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Best solution? Maybe not, but we were not the
officer in the field that day.

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I would have given each one half of the tarpaulin. One cuts.
the other chooses. And whoever does not agree gets shot in the knee.
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Military === Stuuuupid.

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But of course, if you are correct no one in S.America world be
speaking Spanish or Portuguese, Adolf Hitler's party would rule
Europe, the U.S. would still be a colony of G.B. and even more
examples throughout the history of mankind.

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LOL.
I don't think our "military" had anything to do with our
independence. Our very gay prince had a hysterical fit and hollered he
didn't want to go home, and that was that.
As to Hitler, he was not a party type. He was more of a
military man. AKA Stuuuupid. Invading Russia in winter is not a good
idea....

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Operation Barbarossa, the invasion of the Soviet Union by Nazi Germany
starting on Sunday, 22 June 1941, during World War II.
Is June winter?
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Napoleon crossed into Russia in mid September. Same result
as Stalingrad.
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Winter comes, whether you like it or not.
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Indeed I the assumption that Russia would fold and the war would be over by
time winter came around, was foolish.
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It did have some help in terms of materials with the convoys but Russia
took on and won the majority of the German army without them the war
outcome probably wouldn’t change but the how and the why and the length
certainly would.
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Roger Merriman

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My old college history professor called it the iffy game. What would
have happened if the US hadn't known about the Japanese Naval force
heading to Midway? What would have happened if McClellan had chased
down Lee when he was retreating from the Battle of Antietam? What
would have happened at the Battle of the Bulge had the weather not
cleared and allowed supplies to be dropped in.
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Wars seem to be won or lost as much on chance occurrences as on
strategic decisions and the strengths of opposing forces.

 Battles maybe but not the outcome of the war, hence the sane Japanese and
indeed German military trying persuade their political masters to either
delay or not start the war, Pearl harbour and its plan was because Japan
couldn’t win the war, conventionally as American industrial capacity and
oil reserves so Yamamoto hope was this would bring America to the
negotiations table.
 Midway absolutely shortened the war but not the result.
 Where some strategies/training that differences  where in American’s favour
such damage control being crew wide basic training, so that US ships
surviving damage that would of sunk the equivalent Japanese ships due to
much better and damage control, though as cheeky note, the British carriers
tended to shrug off due to having armoured deck and belt, though this makes
other compromises.
 The other being actively conserving skilled and experienced flight crew,
hence the “The Great Marianas Turkey Shoot” as by then japan had lost its
experienced pilots, and a technical edge ie the US planes improved quite
significantly, in contrast to the Japanese aircraft.
 Japan would have always reached that point but by not actively working to
keep skilled pilots and that knowledge alive it came sooner, than later.

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C'est bon
Soloman
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Roger Merriman
 

Yes you highlight a very important point.
According to the richly granular Volume 14 of "History of United States Naval Operations in World War II" by Morison, written from Navy records and after action reports, captains who rigorously trained for fire suppression generally remained in action, slack crews generally perished. It also helped that at call to stations, the large number of fuel lines throughout the ship were purged with CO2.
Japanese carriers did not purge fuel lines and fire training was considered 'defeatist'. In a closely run conflict those were, as it turns out, large differences.
(I'm unfamiliar with Royal Navy ships and practice at that time, so I can't comment)
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