Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?

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De : roger (at) *nospam* sarlet.com (Roger Merriman)
Groupes : rec.bicycles.tech
Date : 21. Jan 2025, 16:24:21
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cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu Jan 16 09:19:49 2025 Roger Merriman  wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu Jan 9 19:17:51 2025 Roger Merriman  wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"Protected" bike lane hazard lawsuit:
 
https://komonews.com/news/local/cyclist-green-lake-neighborhood-king-county-superior-court-aviv-litov-26-years-old-bike-lanes-life-altering-injuries-strittmatter-firm-configuration-tesla
 
I?m unconvinced by such designs seems asking for trouble and and attempting
to please everyone ie compromise the cycleway for car parking, I?m guessing
nice wide junction with no attempt to slow cars down let alone control it?
 
Roger Merriman
 
 
 
 
 
As a cyclist you don't have automatic right-of-way and are responsible
to watch for idiots.
 
 
The two aren?t mutually exclusive certainly in uk bikes as with other forms
of transport do have the right of way, clearly the being dead right comes
into play as well.
 
But a junction or crossing that has restricted visibility with a nice wide
access so motorists don?t need to slow down is rather asking for trouble.
 
 
 
 
The car as an every day form of Transportation was invented by Henry
Ford. America as opposed to Europe and the UK is infinitely large for a
bicyclist which makes it easy to see the popularity of cycling in Europe and the UK.

That’s a false assumption and essentially car centric logic, people aren’t
generally commuting over 10 miles even in Europe, or even the Dutch the top
of the bell curve is around a mile or so.

London is somewhat unusual as due to other factors such as it’s size so
folks in the outer suburbs working in either the city or Canary Wharf who
decide that rush hour public transport is just too much, it has and this
has been the case for decades, a sizeable number of cyclist who commute the
15/25 miles in.

But folks aren’t cycling routinely intercity distances let alone crossing
Countries even in places that the distance is doable ie few hundred miles.

In terms of utility cycling it’s kinda linked to walking and public
transportation, and frankly for the US seems to be linked to your planning
and zoning regulations plus the size of the fire trucks which are quite
simply ridiculous in scale.

Ie if folks can’t walk/cycle/catch a bus/train in a relatively short
distance hence the 15 minutes cities phase, I personally live in a 5 min
one, in that within that time I can reach a bike shop/hairdresser/cafe’s
pharmacy/bakers/drycleaners (useful to get repairs to favourite cycling
kit!) off licenses, number of cafes and restaurants plus a pub.

If the only reasonable options are to drive people will.
 
Because the US is autocentric too many American drivers think that
bicyclists are simply in the way.
 
Roger Merriman


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14 Jan 25  ii       i`- Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong?1Catrike Ryder
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