Re: Wrong Again.

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 1/21/2025 4:32 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 1/20/2025 6:56 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Mon Jan 20 18:41:29 2025 AMuzi  wrote:

On 1/20/2025 6:17 PM, cyclintom wrote:

I took my BMC with an 12 speed Campy Record group out on Sunday and
contrary to the opinion I had about the extra gears not being helpful,
I, in fact, discovered that the extra gears went right inbetween the
normal gears I had been using for climbing.
 
Now this might have been because I was pissed off at Campy because
they do not make spare parts as they should but what I did was to swap
out my Campy groups for 10 speed Dura Ace.
 
I bought a full rebuild assembly for my disabled 12 speed levers and
will fit these on my DeRosa Merak. I must have an extra set of Campy
wheels somewhere but if I don't, $400 will buy a set of new Khamsin
wheels from Amazon and my wife has an active Prime account. Ot I can
fit a 12 speed freehub to the set of new Superteam wheels I have
sitting here. This would leave me needing a 12 speed chain and
cassette. The DeRosa is an aluminum main triangle and carbon fiber
ends and is lighter than the BMC SLC01.
 
As for the Dura Ace 10 speed parts. They are very useful since unlike
the 10 speed Campy components you could get long arm derailleurs for
them and shift large road gears like my 11-36's. So I could get a
pretty penny for them and one set of levers alone will pay for the
full Campy 12 speed lever rebuild assembly from Canada before import
taxes come into effect.
 
Looking at this stack of freehubs I have here I think that I aleady
have a Campy 12 speed if it fits on the Superteam wheels.
 
While the Dura Ace 9000 brakes are very nice brakes it was shocking
how much better the Campy brakes were, Not that they stopped any
better but were so much more keenly controlable with the braking
occuring over a parger span of the brake lever.
 
I guess I simply didn't notice these refinements when I was using them every day.
 
In any case I should say that the LTWoo (R9) 11 speed levers shift
like a Campy lever but use all Shimano parts since they have the same pull ratios.
 
And since I was using the Giro shoes I didn't have particularly sore
feet when I removed them. I'm hoping that Sidi Genius shoes work as
well but the Sidi Carbon shoes are a little tight on the the lateral plantar nerve.
 
The Campy 12 speed has a limit of 34 tooth on the cassette but I don't
seem to be gaining anything with the Shimano 36 tooth. I am going so
slow that control becomes a problem and not strength.

 
"As for the Dura Ace 10 speed parts. They are very useful
since unlike the 10 speed Campy components you could get
long arm derailleurs for them "
 
 
Keywords for search: Record 10sp triple RD or Campagnolo
Racing T 10sp RD.
 
http://www.yellowjersey.org/SGSANTAN.JPG
 
By the way, regarding "pissed off at Campy because they do
not make spare parts as they should ",  where do you buy
your Dura Ace gear wire capstan for the STi levers?  If I
recall that was the Campagnolo part you broke.

 
 
 
 
Triples were terrible devices. OK for touring bikes but absolute trash
for racing. They were usually a 52/48/30 though a lot of people replaced
the 48 with a 45 or even a 42 on the later 130 mm triples. They were
forever misshifting in a racing setting and that was the end of your
race at that point. Plus I was a lugger so there was no reason for me
to have a 30 tooth.
 
Campy 10 speed doubles would only shift a 28 though if you used a
Daytona rear derailleur you could shift a 30 tooth cog.

 
The long cage models are called 'triple' by Campagnolo
because they do not produce an 'offroad' series.  The long
cage model is what you want.
 
https://bicyclecampagnolorecord.com/2023/02/campagnolo-record-long-cage-rear-derailleur-10-speed-triple-vintage-bike/
 
 

 
I believe was a MTB groupset if briefly and they do now a gravel groupset
which is one the few highs apparently.
 
Speculation they will go under at some stage or bought up.
 
Roger Merriman
 

 
Not for ten speed systems. Short medium, long rear changers
and the long ones are marked 'triple' on the package. There
were no offroad 10 offered by Campagnolo.
 

Sorry yes, I ment way back in time and Ekar which I think is 13 speed?

Rather than 10 speed stuff which 3 out of the 4 bikes I own are.

Roger Merriman